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The purge begins

Wheat Board President terminated by Conservatives

What I’d like to see Monsieur Dion do is pledge that Measner will immediately be re-instated upon election of a Liberal government.

Update: Michelle says Dion has already done that here, though I will note Dion didnt specifically say he’d re-hire Measner, but reinstate the Wheat Board to its monopoly power (til farmers said otherwise in a properly held plebiscite) if the Tories dismantled it from its current format.

30 comments to The purge begins

  • Winston

    How about answering these questions

    1) What is so bad about allowing farmers who assume all of the risks in growing their crops to have the freedom and choice to sell it to whoever they want to, CWB or the open market?

    2) Why is it that farmers who are forced to sell their crops to the CWB are not allowed to know how much the CWB sold their crops for on the open market?

    3) Why is it that the farmers who are forced to sell their crops to the CWB are not allowed to examine its books?

    4) Why is it that the Liberals and the NDP on the accountability committee removed the CWB and its directors from being subjected to the Accountability Act?

    5) If the CWB is doing such a good job marketing the crops on behalf of the farmers, why are so many farmers being arrested and prosecuted for trying to sell their crops to other groups?

    6) If the CWB is doing such a good jobs and is supported by a majority of the farmers then why would they fear dual marketing where farmers would have the choice to either sell their crops through them or sell through the open market themselves?

  • [quote comment=”213″]This will backfire on the Liberals. This is one of the leading causes of Western alienation. If a farmer tries to sell his barley to someone other than the wheat board they arrest them and put them in jail. This has happens. The farmers that support this are the primarily the activist union farmers.[/quote]

    Really? That rally that Dion was at in Winnipeg looked pretty well attended.

    “activist union farmers”? Interesting term. Perhaps you could define that for us. Regardless,there must be a lot of them then, if a majority appears to want to retain the board (and if given the choice between no board and one, an overwhelming majority want the Board kept) and 8 of the 10 farmers on the 15 member Directors are pro-monopoly, with 4 of 5 recently elected also being pro-monopoly.

    The question again surfaces Bagley that you or Aaron or the rest of you Conservative parrots (as in parroting Tory talking points) refuse to answer – if there is so much dissension out there with the Wheat Board, why are Chuck Strahl and the Conservatives afraid to hold a full scale binding plebiscite on both barley and wheat, rather then holding a half-plebiscite on barley thats non-binding on the government and not even committing to holding one on wheat?

    The answer is simple; Strahl and the Tories dont want to take no for an answer because they know they’d probably lose the plebiscite, and wish for purely ideological reasons to dismantle it.

    And we get word the US is silently cheering them on for this. Apparently this is another case of, “let’s suck up to the Americans” as was the case in softwood… even if it means compromising Canadian interests.

  • Bagley

    This will backfire on the Liberals. This is one of the leading causes of Western alienation. If a farmer tries to sell his barley to someone other than the wheat board they arrest them and put them in jail. This has happens. The farmers that support this are the primarily the activist union farmers.

  • Who cares if only 5% of the wheat comes from Ontario? If the wheat board is so great, why not extend it to Ontario? I’m having trouble getting an answer to this question.

    The price that the board can sell the wheat at and the profit margin depends largely on the costs of transporting the wheat. There is a fairly large geographical gap between the western farms and the farms in Ontario, which would create some logistical problems. Again thought, you are distracting from the real issue. Scott has criticized the face that there is only a non-binding plebiscite on barely, and none at all on wheat. Why is that?

  • The Ontario board does not employ a one desk system. So why even mention it?

    Who cares if only 5% of the wheat comes from Ontario? If the wheat board is so great, why not extend it to Ontario? I’m having trouble getting an answer to this question.

  • Thanks for the clarification. I hardly see how Aaron’s argument, that if one opposes the government dismantling the wheat board without holding a binding plebiscite then they should support the monopoly extending to the east, makes any sense. Even if it did make sense the relevance is questionable given that the west produces 95% of the grain. It appears to be the typical Conservative strategy of distracting from the issue if no sensible argument can be made to support their cause.

  • [quote comment=”181″]So both regions operate under a one desk system, but since there is a geographical gap between them, they each have their own system. Makes sense to me. Of course, I’m not a large corporate wheat seller.[/quote]

    Not quite.. farmers in Ontario do have the option of selling wheat on their own if they wish, or going thru the marketing board.

    The farmers in the Canadian Wheat Board jurisdiction can also have that choice if they wish to authorize it thru a properly held plebiscite; the objections here are how the Conservatives are trying their best to remove the monopoly without doing it properly.

  • – 95% of wheat and barley are grown out West, so it makes sense the Board has authority out there – but the 4% of wheat grown in Ontario is handled by the Ontario Wheat Producers Marketing Board, another evil-socialist sounding scheme.

    So both regions operate under a one desk system, but since there is a geographical gap between them, they each have their own system. Makes sense to me. Of course, I’m not a large corporate wheat seller.

  • Just some facts for you Aaron – something I know you hate to see:

    – The Wheat Board was created in 1935, by that well-known liberal socialist Prime Minister, Conservative R.B Bennett., who created the board at the request of farmers (imagine that).

    – 95% of wheat and barley are grown out West, so it makes sense the Board has authority out there – but the 4% of wheat grown in Ontario is handled by the Ontario Wheat Producers Marketing Board, another evil-socialist sounding scheme.

  • You’re right Aaron, I haven’t been interested in the Wheat Board til now, nor would I imagine has most of the rest of Canada til we’ve all learned of Harper and Strahl’s ill-conceived plan to gut it.

  • Finally, I will use a word other than “monopoly”, despite the fact that the one desk system is meant to establish exactly that. And I will ask once again: If you are so in favour of the one desk system, why wouldn’t you wish to see that same system imposed upon Ontario and Quebec?

    I know that the image of western farmers being arrested and sent to jail for committing the crime of selling their own wheat in exactly the same way that Ontario farmers do so must have tickled your black Liberal heart. But, needless to say, that’s hardly a campaign promise that will endear Dion to western farmers.

  • “Now Harper decides a half-baked measure is needed, and folks like you Aaron jump all over it, describing it as basically one of the most pressing issues facing Canada today.”

    I have been in favour of senate reform since prior to the 1993 election. That is about thirteen years minus one day more than you have been interested in the wheat board. Should I consult the LPOC press release list to decide what issue you will suddenly take an interest in tomorrow?

  • There is no monopoly being “imposed” upon the West Aaron. You’ve completely ignored as usual the entire crux of the argument.. so I’ll repeat it for you – slowly… If the farmers want to get rid of the monopoly, they can vote to do so.. but they should be able to do so in a legitimate plebiscite in the manner the Wheat Board Act says they should.. not in the half-baked and deceptive manner Strahl and the Conservatives are attempting to pull on them. I will add the farmers have HAD that chance to rid themselves of this monopoly for years under this act, and have never acted – maybe because they like the benefits? Also.. didnt the recent farmer elections out West, elect 4 of 5 pro-monopoly farmers, with the 5th not being that enthralled with how the Conservatives were handling this?

    Yes.. it sure sounds like the farmers can hardly wait to get rid of this Wheat Board. Tell you what Aaron.. Harper and Strahl can go out during an election campaign and try to sell their version of the Wheat Board and Dion will go out with his… and lets see whose plan the farmers like better.

  • Let’s try again. If you support the CWB “monopoly on sales”, then you must also support extending that wonderful monopoly to Ontario and Quebec? Right? If not, why should a monopoly be imposed on the west but not on central Canada?

    Can we address the issue without the tiresome partisan complaints about the CPC? I know that partisanship is a novelty for you, Scott, but try to keep it under control.

  • Locusta emersonia

    Congrats on your blog, Scott, and best wishes!

    On the issue of the CWB and Harper’s latest sellout: It’s all part of the plan cooked up by some of Harper’s Ministers and officials September 14-16, 2006 in Banff, Alberta, to sell/unite Canada, the US and Mexico.
    Haven’t you wondered why Harper is harping on a “united” Canada lately?
    Until Canadians get the goods on the NAU secret meeting in Banff this past September, they will continually be suprised by Harper, unless of course they are in on it.

  • Here! Here! Well said, Scott!

  • [quote comment=”168″]”What a red herring. Ontario and Quebec farmers arent the issue here. The issue is the Canadian Wheat Board and whether or not it should keep its monopoly on sales.”

    Way to contradict yourself. If you support the CWB “monopoly on sales”, then you must also support extending that wonderful monopoly to Ontario and Quebec? Right? If not, why should a monopoly be imposed on the west but not on central Canada?

    Try thinking for yourself here.[/quote]

    Gee Aaron, I didnt see anything in the Tory platform that said they wanted to get rid of the Wheat Board because it didnt extend east past Manitoba. They’re just doing so because it goes against their neo-conservative ideology.

    And there is no monopoly being “imposed” on western Canada Aaron. If the farmers want to get rid of the monopoly, they can vote to do so.. but they should be able to do so in a legitimate plebiscite in the manner the Wheat Board Act says they should.. not in the half-baked and deceptive manner Strahl and the Conservatives are attempting to pull on them, which they will pay dearly for at the ballot box if they keep it up.
    Telling me to try thinking for myself is pretty rich, coming from a blogger whose a member of a blogging group that faithfully takes their talking points from the Conservative press releases. I mean, a week ago Senate “reform” wasnt on any radar screen. Now Harper decides a half-baked measure is needed, and folks like you Aaron jump all over it, describing it as basically one of the most pressing issues facing Canada today.

    Stop drinking all of that extra blue Tory Kool-Aid Aaron; its affecting your bias and judgement more then what I’m used to seeing come from you.

  • “What a red herring. Ontario and Quebec farmers arent the issue here. The issue is the Canadian Wheat Board and whether or not it should keep its monopoly on sales.”

    Way to contradict yourself. If you support the CWB “monopoly on sales”, then you must also support extending that wonderful monopoly to Ontario and Quebec? Right? If not, why should a monopoly be imposed on the west but not on central Canada?

    Try thinking for yourself here.

  • [quote comment=”164″]I simply support choice with regard to the CWB.

    I am a member of a party that is not the CPC but I don’t specialize in ‘spinning’ for any party. Sorry if I haven’t got it down right.[/quote]

    If you say so (about the other party claim)… however, if you support “choice”, I would have thought you would have supported “honest” choice for farmers to choose and none of this subterfuge Strahl and the Conservatives are trying to pull (I didnt even mention yet their disenfranchising of some of the producers right to vote in an another obvious attempt to tilt the vote balance in their favour – that “non-binding vote” balance.

  • Brian C.

    I simply support choice with regard to the CWB. I am a member of a party that is not the CPC but I don’t specialize in ‘spinning’ for any party. Sorry if I haven’t got it down right.

  • Brian C. said:

    [quote post=”27″]Seriously, until you get a one-person, one-vote system for leadership, perhaps lecturing on democratic principles ain’t the best.[/quote]

    I’ll leave my more learned Liberal colleagues who were Liberals at the time of the OMOV motion (when I wasnt one yet) to comment on that,  but come now Brian C, you’re throwing out another Red Herring – something you Conservative supporters are very good at doing. The question again isn’t to do with the Liberals voting system, but the fact that Chuck Strahl and the Conservatives are going to hold a vote on barley, wont commit to a similar vote on wheat, and have declared the first vote on barley non-binding anyway; setting up the possibility that even though they will only half-consult farmers on the fate of the Wheat Board, they may ignore their will anyway if the result isn’t what they desire -  in clear violation of the Act that created the board.

    Trying to spin away this anti-democratic ideological neo-Conservative government by bringing up the Liberal delegate selection process is obviously trying to change the topic.

    Go get better Tory talking points Brian.. and tell ’em to mix the Tory Kool-Aid better then they have – because the majority of farmers arent going to buy this sham.

  • If Liberals treated farmers this way the same people apologizing for this Tory move would be up in arms. The specious “little plebicite” strategy is plain and simple divide and rule – if there is no democratic mandate for dismantling the CWB, then use mini-plebicites and purges to sabotage it, poke a big hole in its business, wreck credibility in it and let it sink.

    If that’s your idea of democracy, that’s your business. But the fact is the neoliberal ideology behind the attack on the CWB isn’t underpinned by the kind of trade fairness that would make it work; and if the whole edifice of the CWB comes crashing down as planned, the 60% of farmers who knew it was a bad idea are going to be very, very unhappy with your party – and probably some of the 40%, when they realize that Canada can’t and won’t gold-plate their agricultural subsidies the way the US and Europe can afford to.

  • Brian C.

    Mr. Tribe, it sounds like Harper and Dion are simply differing on the format of the farmer vote. Instead of taking a stance that he will reverse what Harper does, shouldn’t Dion NOW be pushing the government to reformat the current plebicite and state that they will respect a farmer vote either way? Dion seems to be maximizing the disagreement when the ideological differences seem small.

    Another question, on the CWB site it states that the CWB is the LARGEST seller of wheat IN THE WORLD holding more than 20% of the barley and wheat market. Are Canadians to realistically believe that the CWB cannot be profitable with say, 10 or 15% of the wheat and barley market while allowing farmers the FREEDOM to market where they see fit. What if farmers wish to sell their grain to a marketer that enforces fair trade principles? Sometimes it isn’t ALL about money.

    Seriously, until you get a one-person, one-vote system for leadership, perhaps lecturing on democratic principles ain’t the best.

  • [quote comment=”151″]Agreed SO, support for the Wheat Board is only about 60% by farmers.

    Allow farmers, first barley farmers and then wheat farmers will vote on whether to maintain the single marketing board.

    Allow farmers themselves to choose!

    Progressive people should value choice.[/quote]

    By the way, Strahl isnt even committing to honour the plebiscite even if farmers vote to retain the monopoly on the wheat board.. he’s calling it a non-binding vote, meaning if he doesnt like the result.. he wont feel bound to accept the will of the farmers, and he wont even commit to a similar plebiscite on wheat.
    Some democrats these Conservatives are. The old Reformers out of this party should be wondering what happenned to all the democratic principles their original party was preaching and exhorting.

  • I can assure you that in Dion’s Q&A this morning, he unequivocally stated the Wheat Board is here to stay.

    And, in Montreal David Orchard vowed to run for the Liberals and that his personal mission was to see the Wheat Board restored.

    The What Do I Know Grit

  • What a red herring. Ontario and Quebec farmers arent the issue here. The issue is the Canadian Wheat Board and whether or not it should keep its monopoly on sales. Strahl and the Tories have been trying desperately to find a way around the clear rules of the Wheat Board saying farmers must be consulted and a plebiscite issued… so they’re now going to do a vote on barley only; this after they tried disenfranchising certain farmers from voting, and lost farmer elections to pro-monopoly farmers.

    Its ironic that after years of the US trying to kill this and failing.. their ideological allies in Canada are attempting to do it for them. Again I say, the “Stand Up For Canada” slogan the Tories brought to last years election rings hollow.

    Hey Brian: “only” 60%” of farmers supports this? Thats a clear majority in parliamentary terms (not many parliamentary votes have gotten to 50% – only 2 I believe) while George Bush calls 51% a “mandate” — so 60% is overwhelming by Canadian voting standards.

    Dion is on the correct side of this issue for the majority of Prairie farmers.

  • Brian C.

    Agreed SO, support for the Wheat Board is only about 60% by farmers. Allow farmers, first barley farmers and then wheat farmers will vote on whether to maintain the single marketing board. Allow farmers themselves to choose! Progressive people should value choice.

  • Uhh… the Tories aren’t going to eliminate the monopoly status of CWB until after a plebiscite either…

    see the CBC about this:
    “Strahl announced in October that Ottawa will hold a plebiscite, but only for barley farmers.”

    The move will only apply to barley farmers and will only occur AFTER a plebiscite on the issue.

    And Aaron is right, the CWB doesn’t apply to Ontario farmers, and Dion knows that if he tried to extend it to Quebec and Ontario it would kill any rural support the Liberals have left.

  • do you just favour government monopolies when it comes to the west?

    Two thirds of the board of directors of the Canadian Wheat Board is elected by the farmers.

  • Why not go one better? Dion could promise to re-instate Measner AND extend the wheat board’s juristiction to grain and barley produced in Ontario and Quebec. Or do you just favour government monopolies when it comes to the west?

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