Archives

A sample text widget

Etiam pulvinar consectetur dolor sed malesuada. Ut convallis euismod dolor nec pretium. Nunc ut tristique massa.

Nam sodales mi vitae dolor ullamcorper et vulputate enim accumsan. Morbi orci magna, tincidunt vitae molestie nec, molestie at mi. Nulla nulla lorem, suscipit in posuere in, interdum non magna.

A bit of honesty from Baird and the Cons perhaps?

Perhaps Baird, Harper and the Cons. have decided this facade and pretense to Canadians and to the world of actually wanting to help stop climate change and limit GHG’s, and going to Bali to do something productive on that front, is just too much of a bother to continue pretending anymore, judging by this move today:

After banishing environmentalists and opposition MPs from Canada’s delegation to the Bali climate conference, Ottawa has decided to allow an oil company and several business executives to join the official delegation.

As BCL shows, they just didn’t pick any oil company either; they chose one of the companies that has been cited by the Europeans as being one of the worst with regards to pollution in the tarsands. THAT should tell the world and Canadians what this Conservative government thinks of Bali and post-Kyoto mandatory emissions caps, if they hadn’t figured it out already. The Cons. are there to protect Big Oil’s interests in the tarsands, and will do anything they can to scuttle the Bali talks.

Footnote – this should be interesting:

On Dec. 13 Environment Minister John Baird and Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion are slated to be on the same panel together in Bali on the topic of Canadian action on climate change federally and provincially. One of the other speakers on the panel told me that she plans on holding her remarks to 1.5 minutes in order to allow maximum time for the two elected officials to hash it out.

That could be a bit of fireworks, depending on how Dion approaches Baird and vice-versa. We all know Baird has a temper and is a blowhard, and Harper and he are well known for using international conferences to attack their domestic political opponents. This time however, Dion is there to call him out on it if he goes that route. Dion (as mentioned earlier by me in another blogposting) is well respected internationally for the work he did as the host in Montreal at that climate change conference, so it will be interesting to see how he goes about showing that a) Canadians do care about climate change, and the Cons. don’t represent the majority view on this issue, and b) how much of Baird’s and the Cons. hypocrisy on this issue is he willing to go after.

Some environmentalists and even Green Party leader Elizabeth May are worried Dion can’t be seen as “undermining” Canada at Bali. Au Contraire. This government’s position needs to be criticized for what it is – a policy of inaction. If that’s “undermining” Canada’s position, so be it. It quite frankly needs to be undermined, in my view, because it is not the right policy for either Canada or the world.

11 comments to A bit of honesty from Baird and the Cons perhaps?

  • Gayle

    ALW – I suppose you have "forgotten" about Harper’s little letter to the NYT on Iraq, or the fact Art Hangar took it upon himself, on behalf of the Alliance, to intervene in the Canadian government’s attempt to convince Governor George Bush he should not execute a Canadian citizen. I suppose the fact that the Harper government has often commented on internal politics on the international stage does not bear mention either. I love the "two wrongs don’t make it right" argument you throw out there. Yes, the opposition should simply "take it" because to respond in kind would be wrong(er). Finally, your juvenile characterization of the position of the opposition parties notwithstanding, all the parties have actively encouraged this government to enact the amended Clean Air Act. They have done so in a reasonable and appropriate fashion. We all know how well Harper listened to that.

  • It would really be nice if ALW would present something close to a coherent argument but, in all honesty, it looks like the effect of a wide open shotgun on drywall.

    If there’s a point there, I can’t find it.

  • ALW

    Oh no, Scotty. Tell me you didn’t just use a poll to bolster your argument. But since you did, and since I know how you love SES, maybe you should take a look at this one:
    http://www.nanosresearch.com/news/in_the_news/Policy%20Options%20Dec%202007E.pdf
    This part is particularly astute:
    It also places in context many of the more complex issues, such as Afghanistan and climate change,which are very divisive in the country.  But even with all that, Canadians overall clearly think the country is moving in the right direction. We shouldn’t confuse the daily chatter of the politicalclass and the noise of talk radio with the overall feelings of Canadians on the direction in which the country is moving.

  • mushroom

    Mattbastard also noted that Plasco is a part of the Canadian delegation.
    Plasco is Rod Bryden’s company and he is well connected to Dion and McGuinty.    It supports the conversion of clean energy through incineration of garbage.  Of course, Bryden’s entrepreneurial skills need to be considered in light of the Ottawa Senators pre-Gene Melnyk.
    Just a point of note in relation to EnCana’s participation in Bali.

  • Whooee! Baird shows a clear lack of respect for HMLO and for environmental organizations. At the same time, the has oil execs from Encana accompanying him. Is he the environment minster or finance minister? Harper has got on the stage at every international conference he’s attended and raised the eyebrows of foreign journalists by dragging in domestic politics. He constantly bemoans the previous government and harps on how the New government is different.

    Now, when the opposition wants to criticize, the world stage is suddenly off-limits to domestic politics.

    The Con’s have made a complete mess of the environmental file. Now, they are disgracing us on the world stage.

    I do not believe that in all history there has ever been a treaty or international agreement signed by every country in the world. I know that Canada has signed a great many treaties and agreements which do not include every nation. I posted something today regarding our compliance with the anti-landmine treaty (1997).  Major landmine producers did not sign. We did. We’re complying.

    Harper has put Canada back in the forefront on the world stage. Too bad we’re playing the part of global badboy.

    JB

  • Actually ALW, opinion polls show that 2/3 of Canadians want Canada to lead on climate change, and a majority dont believe we are doing so now.

    I’ll take my chances with those numbers, my friend.  Australians saw if they wanted to move on climate change, they were going to have to switch governments, and they did so. Personally, I wish Dion would, after viewing the spectacle Baird and Harper has caused in Bali, to pull the plug on this government and go to the people (and I’m not even taking into account all the other things that Harper and his cons have shown themselves to be vulnerable on).

  • ALW

    Dave,Well, I guess two wrongs make a right then.
    I can guess the reason Baird, and the Harper government in general, has tuned out the opposition isn’t because of some sinister conspiracy as I’m sure you’d all love to fantasize about. It’s because the opposition has decided it wants to behave like children. Not a day goes by without the opposition howling as if the world is going to end tomorrow. Not substantive criticisms like "this is a bad idea because it won’t solve environmental problems XYZ" or "I call on the Prime Minister to work with other countries rather than pursuing this dubious strategy". No no! It’s always that Harper’s in Big Oil’s pocket, or that Canada’s reputation is being irreparably damaged beyond anything ever imagined, or that this is the worst government since the Third Reich. It’s just <i>crazy</i>.I can’t wait until the next election. If you folks think your wild-eyed apoplectism is what passes for the opinion of the average Canadian, you’ve got a rude awakening coming.

  • It amazes me how willing you are to look the other way on procedure and institutional convention, just to feed your overwhelmingly partisan hatred for this government.

    Ummm… Who looked the other way at what?

    Baird broke institutional convention when he refused to allow opposition MPs to attend as part of the delegation. Had he not violated convention he might have expected any attendant opposition MPs to abide by convention and keep their own counsel.

    If Baird gets ripped to shreds by the political opposition he, without precedent, shut-out as government accompanying delegates, he has only one person to blame. I’m sure he has a mirror handy. RWAs always do.

  • ALW

    Some environmentalists and even Green Party leader Elizabeth May are worried Dion can’t be seen as “undermining” Canada at Bali. Au Contraire. This government’s position needs to be criticized for what it is – a policy of inaction. If that’s “undermining” Canada’s position, so be it. It quite frankly needs to be undermined, in my view, because it is not the right policy for either Canada or the world.

    Well, of course. Who cares about Canada’s reputation abroad, after all. Better that we play out our domestic political fights on the international stage.
    Even Elizabeth May gets it, but obviously Stephane Dion doesn’t, and neither do you. You’re so focused on this one issue that you don’t seem to have entertained the kind of precedent Dion will set if he blasts the Canadian government on the world stage. "But it’s really important" is not an excuse to run around undermining the government at international summits.
    And if you think it is, you’d be better pray the next time your party is it government that the opposition doesn’t go and do the same thing to you on the same grounds.
    It amazes me how willing you are to look the other way on procedure and institutional convention, just to feed your overwhelmingly partisan hatred for this government.

  • […] Some would have you believe that the only reason we’re criticizing Harper and Baird and the Cons for their environmental stance is because we all in Progressive blogger land (and of course the various Liberal/NDP/Green bloggers in their own specific blogging groups) and the Opposition in general “hate” Harper to the point of derangement. There sure are a lot of “haters” internationally, too then, apparently. In a news article from CP titled “Canada assailed from all sides for its stance at Bali”, we find out we have all sorts of organizations, groups and countries taking aim at us over our ridiculous position. First we have the UN deciding its going to drop all pretenses of diplomatic niceties toward Canada and call us out on our stance Harper and Baird and the Cons are taking to Bali: The UN climate chief all but accused Canada of being an environmental hypocrite.Yvo de Boer wondered how a rich country like Canada could abandon its own targets under Kyoto, then demand that developing ones like China and India adopt obligations. “I personally find it interesting,” de Boer told a news conference, “to hear Canada, just a little while ago, indicating it would not meet its commitments under the Kyoto protocol, and now calling on developing countries to take binding reduction targets …””I wonder how that’s going to be received.” […]

  • More Bali Bullsh!t…

    by matttbastard

    As if this should be even slightly surprising:
    After banishing environmentalists and opposition MPs from Canada’s delegation to the Bali climate conference, Ottawa has decided to allow an oil company and several business executiv…

unique visitors since the change to this site domain on Nov 12, 2008.