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“Baird disgraced us all”

I point to Impolitic’s blogging column this morning and do a bit of a repeat of it, only if to emphasize this part of the Star editorial as to why he disgraced Canadians:

Right up to the final hours, Baird insisted that Canada would not accept any targets unless they were imposed on poor, developing countries, as well. Seen for what it was – a cynical attempt to undermine the chances for real progress at Bali – Baird’s ploy invited scorn from all quarters, brought shame on all Canadians, and turned our country from a progressive voice on the world stage on environmental issues into an international pariah.

I also emphasize this part of the editorial:

If Baird fails to come up with a new convincing plan, Canadians should give some thought to the advice Gore gave to delegates at Bali who fear U.S. inflexibility in negotiations could kill any progress that Bali has made. Gore told them not to waste time on U.S. President George W. Bush, but to set their sights on negotiations with the next American president, who will replace Bush in a little more than a year.

In otherwards, if Canadians want to reduce/stop/slow climate change, and Harper and Baird and the Cons. again put forth no credible plan to cut GHG’s to meet the targets they signed onto in Bali, it will be up to Canadians who care about this issue to vote them out of office.

By the way, just as an aside, the fact we’re getting the biggest snowstorm in many years in Eastern Canada doesn’t give you climate-change deniers any ammo into saying this proves its a false problem. Scientists and climatologists will tell you Global Warming involves more then just warming of the planet – it will bring increased periods of extreme weather conditions to certain parts of the globe – and that includes massive snowstorms that don’t usually happen in Eastern North America till at least January/February.

Just thought I’d throw that in there, since I know some quarters will try to laughably claim that a snowstorm in Mid-December proves global warming doesn’t exist.

17 comments to “Baird disgraced us all”

  • mushroom

    You Con supporters bashing on China should use your rhetoric on something else instead.

    Why don’t you let the Harper government fall and run the next election on the real threat facing Western civilization today?

    In fact, I may give you the ammo to hang yourself with
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/08/07/bcnchina107a.xml and
    http://www.amazon.com/Showdown-China-Wants-United-States/dp/1596980052

    Pray to God everyday that Harper, Baird, Flaherty, MacKay, and Tancredo will protect you.  If not, then let me ask you a question?  Why does Finley and Solberg allow 270,000  to 300,000 immigrants into Canada every year?  Many of them come from China with heavy promotion from the Provinces.
    The noose is tightening on Harper.  He may become a victim of his own arrogance. 

  • Timothy Webster

    Oops typo
    [quote comment="11158"]By increasing energy efficiency of in these areas, there is more than enough energy for commercial industrial applications.[/quote]

  • Timothy Webster

    Aaron, Someday you will either wake up or go way because facts hurt your very small brain.

    Suburban communities consume more than 3 times the electricity per person than urban communities. The combined suburban per person energy consumption is about 4 or 5 times that of urban per person energy consumption. This is a conservative figure, because much of the increased energy usage appears as transportation.

    Residential, Commercial and transportation account for 2/3 of the energy consumption. By increasing energy efficiency of in these areas, there is more than enough energy for commercial applications.

  • Timothy Webster

    Hello Paul, did you know China has recently built a new nuclear power plant in Southern China. And they plan to build more. Their per-capital energy consumption is already far lower than North America.

    Perhaps, we in North America suffer from poor planning or perhaps no planning.

    Get your head out of the sand. And address the real problem, energy inefficiency and waste, caused by bad/no planning in North America. We need to start now. It will take years of work and rebuilding to undo what we have created. But if we don’t start now, the correction shock will only be bigger when it comes.

  • "‘Painful emission cuts’? I suppose liposuction is painful too, but for massively overweight people whose lives are endangered by their own bulk it’s a freaking medical necessity."

    Like I say, use this as your campaign slogan in Ontario. It’s time to perform liposuction on the Ontario manufacturing sector, Vote Liberal!

    "China and India were repeatedly asking for aid in reaching climate reduction targets (as in new technology to replace old, inefficient types), but were continually denied by the pro-pollution lobby of Canada, USA, Russia and Japan."

    Forget new technology, perhaps Canadian taxpayers could pay for whole Chinese factories! Another Liberal campaign plank!

    "And still the effort of those two countries in bringing down their own emissions puts us to shame."

    Yep, and the reductions by the U.S. under Bush put Canada under the Liberals to shame, too. Your point?

  • Paul

    New technology Troy?China steals all the technological knowhow anyway. They’re sending a man to the moon in 2020 for god sake.  Both India and China could build new nukes instead of coal plants. 

  • ‘Painful emission cuts’? I suppose liposuction is painful too, but for massively overweight people whose lives are endangered by their own bulk it’s a freaking medical necessity.
    And quit whining about China. China and India were repeatedly asking for aid in reaching climate reduction targets (as in new technology to replace old, inefficient types), but were continually denied by the pro-pollution lobby of Canada, USA, Russia and Japan. And still the effort of those two countries in bringing down their own emissions puts us to shame.

  • Timothy Webster

    The disease is energy inefficiency and waste. Global warming and reduced competitiveness with more energy efficient Europe and Asian are only symptoms. Sorry to break it to you, our (yours and mine) energy inefficiency and waste are the cause of this disease. If you think otherwise, then you suffer from a horrible mental illness called denial.

    Wake up from denial and address the disease. The effects of our disease are already long overdue. Far greater Global warming is only a few years away, and so is reduced competitiveness.

    Canada has few days to bask in the Sun
    as it’s resources are bled dry,
    but after those days don’t cry for yourself.
    Cry for your children you sold as you prostituted yourself.

  • "Maybe painful emissions cuts are necessary, if we are to achieve the Kyoto targets by 2012.  We should have dealt with it in 1994, instead of now.  Subject the sectors you mention to the medicine that Harris imposed on us Ontarians."

    Okay. Run on that platform. And don’t forget to mention that China gets a free pass. Because you could fire every worker in the province of Ontario and destroy the livelihood of every family in that province, and it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference as long as China continues to emit under the terms of the agreement reached by these heroes at Bali.

  • Paul

    Make sure we give extra cash to China so they can bolster the over trillion dollars of cash reserves they already have to buy more  arms and resource companies around the world.

    Let’s see…we can cut our emissions in half, allow theirs to go up by double and see the total net emissions go up well over 175%.

    In 10 years, the world will have to cough up additional compensation for forcing the third world to turn into a toxic mess.

  • mushroom

    Let me respond to you instead of Scott, Aaron.

    I question whether Ontarians will respond to Baird’s tactics in Bali.  Reminds too much of his antics when your hero Mike Harris was Premier.

    Maybe painful emissions cuts are necessary, if we are to achieve the Kyoto targets by 2012.  We should have dealt with it in 1994, instead of now.  Subject the sectors you mention to the medicine that Harris imposed on us Ontarians.      

  • This is an excellent suggestion, Scott. The Liberal Party should campaign on a platform of painful emissions cuts for the Canadian manufacturing and oil & gas sectors…while imposing hardly any targets whatsoever on poor, underdeveloped countries like…..China! That will be a big seller amongst Ontario’s suddenly unemployed workers.

  • Negative press?  Because the agreement was reached despite, not because of, the federal Tories, and because because of Canada and US, the agreement was still not good enough. 

  • And yet in the end the Conservatives came through. One wonders why there’s so much negative press on Canada’s involvement in Bali when the end result was success. Perhaps we simply don’t appreciate jumping at the first offer on the table? It was called a "negotiation" process, after all.

  • mushroom

    Scott,

    With regards to the 25 to 40 percent target, this has been placed in the preamble of the text, not in the draft document.  Thus, it is not an obligation for the 38 countries, rather an aspirational one. 

    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071215/bali_deal_071215?s_name=&no_ads=

    Bush is a non-issue anyway.  The real nuts and bolts will be done in Copenhagen conference of 2009.

    I can talk about El Nino and all sort of things with regards to this snowstorm.  Keeps the ski industry near Collingwood alive as it has been poor in recent years.  So not really a consolation.    

  • quaeitur

    Saw a group of protesters at Bali holding a large sign with a red maple leaf and the message to the effect, ‘this will follow you home’.  It sure will!

    BTW, the forecast for the big storm is something like 40cm of snow.  I can remember when a big storm was 120cm of snow, and they happened every couple of years, not every 10 or so.

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