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Did John Tory get enough votes to stay in as leader?

It looks like he’ll have to think about it:

John Tory says he’ll decide “very soon” whether to hang on as Progressive Conservative leader after winning just 66.87 per cent support from party activists in a review of his performance following last October’s election debacle. The results – lower than internal tracking which showed more comfortably in the 70 per cent range – appeared to come as a shock to Tory.

Personally, in a very selfish way, I hope Mr. Tory leaves, and the Ontario PC’s put in a right-winger as their leader. I think Tory would still have a chance to portray himself as a moderate to the Ontario electorate the next time around, and that usually appeals to the province’s voters. If the PC’s think they need to get a leader that acts more like Mike Harris then Bill Davis, that will ensure the PC’s remain out of government here for awhile.

[email protected]:40pm – Well, that was quick:

After the result, Tory said he needed time to consider his future. The time he needed turned out to be brief. Three hours later, Tory emerged late Saturday to announce that he had consulted his wife and caucus and had decided to stay on as leader.

So, he opted to stick with this amount of support unlike what Joe Clark did with the same amount of leadership support with the federal PC’s  in 1983. It will be interesting to see if this time, the decision pans out for him, unlike for Joe.

12 comments to Did John Tory get enough votes to stay in as leader?

  • Harris rode a wave of discontent built on a poor economy, high public debt and weak leadership in the other parties. The discontent was palpable. Heck, even I voted for him in 1995.

    We are not yet in that same situation, so a PC leader further to the right would probably disenfranchise at least as many voters as he/she gains.

  • mushroom

    " If they have a more populist and conservative leader, while they may get creamed in Toronto, they will more likely get those 17 seats back and could make gains elsewhere, like in northern Ontario where Reform/Alliance support was higher than even Mike Harris support."

    Do yourself a favour Blue Dog Tory and dump Harper ASAP.  Replace him with someone like Flaherty, Baird, and Stockwell Day.  Make immigration the key issue in the next federal election.   Harper is stuck in the mid 30s.  The others can do much better.

    "He was not elected and reelected because he was right of centre. He was elected because Ontarians were sick and tired of arrogant (Liberal’s Peterson) and lying (NDP’s Rae) politicians who said one thing and did another once elected. If it was a left-right thing, Harris would never have won two majorities since the majority of Ontarians are in the middle (where almost all Conservative premiers including Bill Davis were)."

    Mississauga Joan has revealed in this comment Mike Harris’ successes.  Ontarians relate to him, compared to others.  They have trouble relating to the Larry Grossman, John Tory crew.  Posh, privilege Bay Street elitist.  McGuinty with his Family Day appeal goes well with Ontario.  If John Tory is opposed to Family Day because small business owners don’t want to pay overtime to their employees, then the Ontario PCs deserve to keep its wheels spinning.

  • MississaugaJoan

    People just forget why Harris was elected premier. He was not elected and reelected because he was right of centre. He was elected because Ontarians were sick and tired of arrogant (Liberal’s Peterson) and lying (NDP’s Rae) politicians who said one thing and did another once elected. If it was a left-right thing, Harris would never have won two majorities since the majority of Ontarians are in the middle (where almost all Conservative premiers including Bill Davis were). If Tory or his successor (Flaherty’s wife) wants to take the Conservatives to the right, it’s a.o.k. with me as long as our Liberal leader (McGuinty) remains in the middle.

    My two cents worth on Tory. For someone who is supposedly so smart, and was viewed/treated by many Conservatives as "the second coming", he has proven himself neither. Keep him at your helm Conservatives, we Liberals like him (although you make winning an election too easy).

  • From a Liberal perspective, the fact Tory said the party needed to turn right is pure gold.  If Tory is forced to appease the nuts like Hillier, he will alienate any appeal he had with moderates and that will ultimately be his death sentence in any future election.  About the only rationale for Tory in the first place is because he was a supposed different sort of conservative.

  • I just don’t want us to end up like BC with only two parties to vote for.

  • Not a Red Tory

    For those calling for another Red Tory, there are some things to remember:

    There are 17 seats in Ontario held by the Conservatives federally and Liberals provincially (and they are scattered all across the province from Windsor to Hawkesbury). With a couple exceptions (i.e. Baird’s seat), all are held by strong conservatives who are well to the right of Stephen Harper. Yet they couldn’t get out to vote for the mostly Red Tories in the John Tory camp.

    There are only a handful of seats where the reverse holds true – and only one (Kitchener-Waterloo) lies outside the GTA.

    If they have a more populist and conservative leader, while they may get creamed in Toronto, they will more likely get those 17 seats back and could make gains elsewhere, like in northern Ontario where Reform/Alliance support was higher than even Mike Harris support.

  • Jim

    I can’t fight with the "real righties" anymore.

  • Well Raphael, It’s obvious you haven’t read up enough on your party’s history, and I repeat my suggestion you go read up on it.

    And I do read a lot of blogs, thanks very much, though I do tend to stay away from the whacko fringe right-wing blogs (which unfortunately take up 80% or more of the Blogging Tory blogroll nowadays), and if that’s what the whackos want, they’re deluded – sorry to see you’re sharing in their delusion into thinking a hard right-winger will win. That right-wing leader will get crushed. Ontarions learned their lesson from Harris  and won’t repeat that mistake -  leaders who are too extreme aren’t and won’t be desired in this province.

    But, I won’t go out of my way to convince the fringe that they’re out of their minds. I prefer to keep them in the political wilderness where they can do no harm.

  • Scott, I think I may know a thing or two about my province and party. Thanks though. By the way, I read a lot of conservative blogs and web sites [do you?] and they’re all talking about finding a new far-right Mike Harris leader. That’s not what I want, because he’ll probably win, and I prefer more soft right.

    Is that what you want, Scott? Because I’ll have you know that the Conservative voters did not turn out for the last election.

  • MississaugaJoan

    A better question is: If Dion had to face a leadership review, would he even get 50%?

  • Ontarions prefer moderate politics, Raphael – Harris was the exception. Study up on the leaders of the PC’s from WWII thru to Bill Davis.

  • You forget that the voters will actually turn out for a real righty.

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