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The canary in the mineshaft

We’re going to see a lot more of the Liberal grassroots people like Darren leaving or sitting out working on behalf of the Liberal Party if the leadership and its strategists don’t get their act together and walk the walk, instead of talking the talk and then sitting on their hands doing nothing, while Harper incrementally dismantles this country into the image of what he wants it to be like, and bumbles from scandal to scandal at the same time.

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20 comments to The canary in the mineshaft

  • >>>>>† Libloggers donít really have the advantage of firsthand information the way the official party does. What if Dion et al have reliable polling information that shows they will get crushed in a campaign and Harper will get a majority? Maybe they know something you donít know.†There is a good reason why the Liberal caucus keeps putting a stop to election talk. The Federal party might have enough to run a bare bones campaign but at the riding level the party is broke. Many candidates are going to have to take out personal loans just to compete with the Conservatives.†Naturally the Liberal brass soldiers on as if nothing is amiss.† It is really quite amusing that the party brass seems to assume that if only they were stumble across some new way of asking for money that public will break open their wallets.† It does not seem to have occurred to them that there is not going to be an uptake in the number of donations unless there is an extended period of policy renewal.†† The Liberals need to offer policies that people can actually get behind and then they might donate.† In the beginning the policy. †>>>>>† The Liberal blogosphere, like the Blogging Tories, are not representative of the grassroots of the party. Rather, they are overwhelming titled torwards the young, vocal, opinionated and hyperpartisan. So ignoring anger on the blogs isnít the same as ignoring the grassroots. † At least out West, the grass roots of the Liberal party are disproportionately young, vocal, opinionated and hyper-partisan, but what you say is true as far as it goes.† That said, their disaffection does say something.† Indeed it speaks volumes about the state of the party when the most hyper-partisan members of the Liberal fold, people who for reasons that are beyond me actually hold up the Kelowna Accord and Atlantic Accord as proud accomplishments, are disaffected as many Liberal bloggers.† ††

  • Ti-Guy

    Oh please, Ti-guy..if someone responds on a blog that the PM and Conservatives are anti-woman and children, does that not deserve a rebuttal?

    I don’t know.† How about you Conservatives start with things like evidence and documentation and try proper argument first before you move on to more sophisticated discursive actions like "rebuttals?"

  • Scott, Don Martin is reporting that Harper has let it be known that he won’t stand for opposition to his killing of the Wheat Board, so Martin expects lots of empty seats when the bill comes up for a vote.† The Tories have this figured out. They know they have a majority government already, so† bombs away.

  • Gigi

    [quote comment="13825"]As we all know, if not challenged, it is followed up with Conservatives will take _____ away from you …right?[/quote]

    Uhm, you mean like my right to determine what goes on in my own body?

    You couldn’t possibly mean that.

    Because we all know that Refervatives don’t want that, right?

  • Paul

    It’s ok kursk. His comments really are my fault. Although I didn’t say it, I admit that I thought "send in the clowns". Ti-guy knows all and he responded accordingly.

    He also need to vent after being given a wedgy by his boss today and being laughed at by his mom when she found that he wet the bed yet again. It really was humiliating. A grown man, living with his mom, who wets the bed and gets bullied by his boss. Certainly something to be edgy about.

  • kursk

    Oh please, Ti-guy..if someone responds on a blog that the PM and Conservatives are anti-woman and children, does that not deserve a rebuttal? Does it not follow the PM is ‘mean’ meme?

    As we all know, if not challenged, it is followed up with Conservatives will take _____† away from you …right?

    If you prefer statism, and would rather your gov’t sell your wheat (at substantially lower prices than Eastern farmers..) or raise your kids, or provide gripe†forums , fine…

    That is why we have elections.Perhaps the reason so many Conservatives sound alike to you is that†the ‘tent’ is somewhat smaller, and agreement on issues†is easier to find.

  • Ti-Guy

    If only!

    So you think paid shilling on public blogs is a morally acceptable practice?

    How unsurprising.

    Because we actually have, you know, donors.

    Thank God money can’t buy brains, eh?

  • "The Liberal blogosphere, like the Blogging Tories, are not representative of the grassroots of the party. Rather, they are overwhelming titled torwards the young, vocal, opinionated and hyperpartisan. So ignoring anger on the blogs isnít the same as ignoring the grassroots."

    Talk about clueless, maybe should read up on studies of who blogs, the demographics.†† How’s this for opinionated, you’re an ignorant fool.† Study up ALW, you might learn something.

  • ALW

    Besides, Iím convinced the Conservatives are running a paid shill program.

    If only!† The party could certain afford it though.† Because we actually have, you know, donors.

  • Ti-Guy

    See what I mean?† Another cost-free airing of Conservative propaganda, copied and pasted straight from the latest press release, and done to give the impression that a lot of people believe this.

  • Paul

    Dismantled the Court Challenges and Status of Women Programs

    Even partisans can see that these programs were partisan. In any event, the issues around women today are not as pressing as other national issues such as Native standard of living.

    The PC Conservatives are notorious for their†disregard of women and children, thus families

    I’m a father of 3 children and I haven’t found a government who has been more helpful to my family.

    They have the lease amount of women represented in the party and are a party of primary white men.

    They are the government of the day and last time I check, white men still had a vote.

    They are dismantling the wheat board and coming from a family of farmers I am distrubed by their lack of knowledge of farming

    The wheat board is discriminatory. Why aren’t Ontario and Quebec farmers forced into it? It has also fetch far lower prices than the market for quite a while

    http://www.siemenssays.com/?p=9366

    The sky isn’t falling.

  • sanguine

    Dismantled the Court Challenges and Status of Women Programs.† With the new Stats Can coming out today showing that women even though being better educated the wage gap has increased between men and women.† The PC Conservatives are notorious for their†disregard of women and children, thus families.† They have the lease amount of women represented in the party and are a party of primary white men.† They are dismantling the wheat board and coming from a family of farmers I am distrubed by their lack of knowledge of farming.† It’s the middleman that makes the money and farmers band together in co-operatives to get the best deal they can.† If they try to fight on their own, they do not have the numbers to compete against the corporations that set the price and tell you to lump it or take it.† The Wheat Board takes a small fee for the office and the rest is returned to the farmers.† The Wheat Board is made up of farmers, not men in suits, not men or women who have never farmed a day in their life.† The Wheat Board is powerful because they can get the best price for their crop, whether they sell to China or Japan or the U.S.† Besides its the US Wheat farmers that really want the Canadian Wheat Board Dismantled and we know how Harper jumps to the tune of the U.S.

  • Ti-Guy

    I tend to let the trolls and clowns post – Good for the public to see what kind of people they really areÖ

    I happen to think any member of the public who pays attention to this gets the message that Liberals are milquetoasts, which is a mainstream media image that doesn’t need any more amplification.† Besides, I’m convinced the Conservatives are running a paid shill program.

  • ALW

    I am errr was as much of a Liberal as the guy who doesn’t run a blog.† I tried to drive that home in my post!† I am errr was as much a Liberal as a a farmer/teacher/retiree/student who doesn’t ever attend a convention or volunteer but holds a membership card.†

    If they don’t give a rats you-know-what about a member of their own party, do you really think they are interested in listening to the undecideds or the soft NDP supporter or soft Conservative supporter?† The top party brass seem only interested in saving their own political lives at this point but I think it’s a little too late for that.

  • ALW

    God forbid I come to the defence of Stephane Dion and the Liberal Party, BUT…
    1) The Liberal blogosphere, like the Blogging Tories, are not representative of the grassroots of the party. Rather, they are overwhelming titled torwards the young, vocal, opinionated and hyperpartisan. So ignoring anger on the blogs isnít the same as ignoring the grassroots.
    2) Again, like the BTs, Libloggers donít really have the advantage of firsthand information the way the official party does. What if Dion et al have reliable polling information that shows they will get crushed in a campaign and Harper will get a majority? Maybe they know something you donít know.
    3) Why the assumption that the bigwigs in the party care a hill of beans what Liberal bloggers say?

  • I tend to let the trolls and clowns post – Good for the public to see what kind of people they really are…

  • You know the answer to that Ti-Guy. Everyone runs their blog how they see fit. If Paul doesn’t believe that anything the Cons. have dismantled is of value, that’s an opinion I don’t agree with , but it isn’t said in a trolling or flaming variety, so it’s ok by me.

  • Ti-Guy

    Dismantles? Name one thing that they have dismantled that was of value

    How about Liberal bloggers can the Conservative attack-monkeys with their confrontational questions (which arise from real or feigned ignorance) already?

    I can’t for the life of me understand why they need to be provided a forum all the time.

  • Paul

    Dismantles? Name one thing that they have dismantled that was of value.

  • It seems like such a good time to go to an election.† The Cons have picked simultaneous fights with the memory one of the most popular MPs of the last few years, and the most popular politician in North America.† How could the Grits not capitalize on that?

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