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		<title>By: Moebius</title>
		<link>http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2008/12/09/thoughts-on-our-new-liberal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-17619</link>
		<dc:creator>Moebius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Well, it was backroom deals at the last convention - so get over it.

Besides, Ignatieff was way ahead anyway.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, smarten up, Liberals!

Hilary is so far ahead, that Obama guy doesn&#039;t have a chance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Well, it was backroom deals at the last convention &#8211; so get over it.</p>
<p>Besides, Ignatieff was way ahead anyway.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, smarten up, Liberals!</p>
<p>Hilary is so far ahead, that Obama guy doesn&#8217;t have a chance!</p>
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		<title>By: slg</title>
		<link>http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2008/12/09/thoughts-on-our-new-liberal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-17618</link>
		<dc:creator>slg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it was backroom deals at the last convention - so get over it.

Besides, Ignatieff was way ahead anyway.

Unfortunately, Rae was trying to deal with old NDP friends behind the scenes making promises to them.

Liberals never were that far left - they were most successful in the centre and they have to get that back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it was backroom deals at the last convention &#8211; so get over it.</p>
<p>Besides, Ignatieff was way ahead anyway.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Rae was trying to deal with old NDP friends behind the scenes making promises to them.</p>
<p>Liberals never were that far left &#8211; they were most successful in the centre and they have to get that back.</p>
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		<title>By: Roll Tide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roll Tide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danger of one party state....
Illinois Democrat Governor is in jail for trying to sell Obamas senate seat.
 
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html

Questions arise over Obama&#039;s connections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danger of one party state&#8230;.<br />
Illinois Democrat Governor is in jail for trying to sell Obamas senate seat.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html</a></p>
<p>Questions arise over Obama&#8217;s connections.</p>
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		<title>By: burpnrun</title>
		<link>http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2008/12/09/thoughts-on-our-new-liberal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-17616</link>
		<dc:creator>burpnrun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I could say, &quot;gee, if this is Liberal &#039;democracy&#039;, why can&#039;t it be applied to the wishes of the people expressed in 2008&#039;s election&quot;?  But I won&#039;t because I&#039;m a nice guy (grin).

But here&#039;s two things for you to chew on.  First up, a &quot;fable&quot; about how close the LPC came to oblivion:

http://burpnrun.blogspot.com/2008/12/start-of-fiction-canadian-political.html

And, second, an easy questionairre on how many objectives has the coalition achieved:

http://burpnrun.blogspot.com/2008/12/how-many-objectives-has-coalition.html

FWIW, my suggestion would be for you and other ardent LPC supporters to FORCE the party to renew itself, before any more disasters befall it.  My selfish reason?  Choice is good, when it comes to politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I could say, &#8220;gee, if this is Liberal &#8216;democracy&#8217;, why can&#8217;t it be applied to the wishes of the people expressed in 2008&#8242;s election&#8221;?  But I won&#8217;t because I&#8217;m a nice guy (grin).</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s two things for you to chew on.  First up, a &#8220;fable&#8221; about how close the LPC came to oblivion:</p>
<p><a href="http://burpnrun.blogspot.com/2008/12/start-of-fiction-canadian-political.html" rel="nofollow">http://burpnrun.blogspot.com/2008/12/start-of-fiction-canadian-political.html</a></p>
<p>And, second, an easy questionairre on how many objectives has the coalition achieved:</p>
<p><a href="http://burpnrun.blogspot.com/2008/12/how-many-objectives-has-coalition.html" rel="nofollow">http://burpnrun.blogspot.com/2008/12/how-many-objectives-has-coalition.html</a></p>
<p>FWIW, my suggestion would be for you and other ardent LPC supporters to FORCE the party to renew itself, before any more disasters befall it.  My selfish reason?  Choice is good, when it comes to politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Mythos</title>
		<link>http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2008/12/09/thoughts-on-our-new-liberal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-17614</link>
		<dc:creator>Mythos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m appalled that the Liberals are moving to the right. I have supported them for about 15 years but that ends today. Ignatief is a self-described centrist and I would find that unacceptable enough but he is clearly right of center and shouldn’t even be in the Liberal Party let alone leading it. 

I feel lost in that there is not a viable choice for fiscally responsible left wing government. The Green Party may well be a fine choice but unless there is huge spike in their support, they are hardly a threat to the right wing bastion the Conservatives and Liberals are forming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m appalled that the Liberals are moving to the right. I have supported them for about 15 years but that ends today. Ignatief is a self-described centrist and I would find that unacceptable enough but he is clearly right of center and shouldn’t even be in the Liberal Party let alone leading it. </p>
<p>I feel lost in that there is not a viable choice for fiscally responsible left wing government. The Green Party may well be a fine choice but unless there is huge spike in their support, they are hardly a threat to the right wing bastion the Conservatives and Liberals are forming.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Wolk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl Wolk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iggy will be a good choice for Liberals only if he puts the coalition off (assuming Harper doesn&#039;t do anything stupid on the budget).  I like the idea of a 308 riding strategy and I think that Liberals have a long way to get there.  Now is the time to take a few years and rebuild.  Financing, local riding associations, new faces in critic roles, engage the grassroots in policy and return the Liberal Party back to the pride that it once had not too long ago.  As a Conservative, I am encouraged by Iggy&#039;s remarks that he will at least consider the budget.  A change in leader might be what is required for the House to return to a more cooperative environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iggy will be a good choice for Liberals only if he puts the coalition off (assuming Harper doesn&#8217;t do anything stupid on the budget).  I like the idea of a 308 riding strategy and I think that Liberals have a long way to get there.  Now is the time to take a few years and rebuild.  Financing, local riding associations, new faces in critic roles, engage the grassroots in policy and return the Liberal Party back to the pride that it once had not too long ago.  As a Conservative, I am encouraged by Iggy&#8217;s remarks that he will at least consider the budget.  A change in leader might be what is required for the House to return to a more cooperative environment.</p>
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		<title>By: sb</title>
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		<dc:creator>sb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus Christ -- why does everyone keep repeating this nonsense about Iggy&#039;s grand intelligence.

Hello -- he was dead wrong on the most important policy decision of our generation -- the invasion of Iraq.

Not only was he wrong, but he was actively shilling for that illegal war. He sold this war to dumb-witted liberals around the world who were charmed by his so-called &quot;intelligence&quot;.

For a sample of his shoddy scholarship, read Empire Lite -- an atrocious piece of writing which papers over the murder of millions in Vietnam by the US army, as well as other war crimes committed by the US government in dozens of countries.

Iggy is not held in high regard by anyone on the left or in progressive circles in the academic community. We actually have a deep loathing for his arrogance and willingness to collaborate with those in power committing crimes around the world.

He is an apologist for empire and shouldn&#039;t be given a second of support by anyone on the so-called &#039;progressive&#039; side of things.

And next time he fends of criticism of his postures on Iraq with some nonsensical reference to the &quot;Kurds&quot; and the &quot;Shia&quot;, ask him about the occupation of Palestine, or about the hatred of the Shia in Iraq for the occupation, or about US transfers of weapons to Turkey in the 1990s which lead to the death of some 30,000 Kurds. 

The guy is a walking talking bullshitter who specializes in pulling the wool over the eyes of less-informed followers.

A true megalomaniac and demagogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus Christ &#8212; why does everyone keep repeating this nonsense about Iggy&#8217;s grand intelligence.</p>
<p>Hello &#8212; he was dead wrong on the most important policy decision of our generation &#8212; the invasion of Iraq.</p>
<p>Not only was he wrong, but he was actively shilling for that illegal war. He sold this war to dumb-witted liberals around the world who were charmed by his so-called &#8220;intelligence&#8221;.</p>
<p>For a sample of his shoddy scholarship, read Empire Lite &#8212; an atrocious piece of writing which papers over the murder of millions in Vietnam by the US army, as well as other war crimes committed by the US government in dozens of countries.</p>
<p>Iggy is not held in high regard by anyone on the left or in progressive circles in the academic community. We actually have a deep loathing for his arrogance and willingness to collaborate with those in power committing crimes around the world.</p>
<p>He is an apologist for empire and shouldn&#8217;t be given a second of support by anyone on the so-called &#8216;progressive&#8217; side of things.</p>
<p>And next time he fends of criticism of his postures on Iraq with some nonsensical reference to the &#8220;Kurds&#8221; and the &#8220;Shia&#8221;, ask him about the occupation of Palestine, or about the hatred of the Shia in Iraq for the occupation, or about US transfers of weapons to Turkey in the 1990s which lead to the death of some 30,000 Kurds. </p>
<p>The guy is a walking talking bullshitter who specializes in pulling the wool over the eyes of less-informed followers.</p>
<p>A true megalomaniac and demagogue.</p>
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		<title>By: sb</title>
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		<dc:creator>sb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The handpicking of Ignatieff is emblematic of the elitism in the LPC that has turned off so many Canadians.

The choice of Ignatieff himself is a dire prospect for the progressive movement in the country, given that Iggy has been one of the worst, unintelligent shills for US militarism over the past decade.

Furthermore, the choice of Iggy portends the rapid break-up of the coalition and of the urgent need to dispose of the Conservatives.

It is patently obvious that Ignatieff does not support the coalition and that he is hoping to &quot;win&quot; concessions in the budget in order to &quot;justify&quot; dumping the coalition as well as granting confidence to the government -- all in order to forestall an election (which he presumes to win by himself) until the LPC finances are in order. You heard it here first, but that is what Iggy is scheming.

Lastly, the LPC is living in a dream world if it tries to build a 308 riding strategy in the next few months or even years. Based on first hand experience, the LPC is completely disorganized in many regions of the country and won&#039;t be winning a majority government any time soon.

Anyone on the left side of the LPC needs to be pushing to keep the coalition and to defeat the Conservatives on the 27th.

If not, you will be retroactively justifying all the bullshit that Harper unloaded last week.

Does the LPC have principles or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The handpicking of Ignatieff is emblematic of the elitism in the LPC that has turned off so many Canadians.</p>
<p>The choice of Ignatieff himself is a dire prospect for the progressive movement in the country, given that Iggy has been one of the worst, unintelligent shills for US militarism over the past decade.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the choice of Iggy portends the rapid break-up of the coalition and of the urgent need to dispose of the Conservatives.</p>
<p>It is patently obvious that Ignatieff does not support the coalition and that he is hoping to &#8220;win&#8221; concessions in the budget in order to &#8220;justify&#8221; dumping the coalition as well as granting confidence to the government &#8212; all in order to forestall an election (which he presumes to win by himself) until the LPC finances are in order. You heard it here first, but that is what Iggy is scheming.</p>
<p>Lastly, the LPC is living in a dream world if it tries to build a 308 riding strategy in the next few months or even years. Based on first hand experience, the LPC is completely disorganized in many regions of the country and won&#8217;t be winning a majority government any time soon.</p>
<p>Anyone on the left side of the LPC needs to be pushing to keep the coalition and to defeat the Conservatives on the 27th.</p>
<p>If not, you will be retroactively justifying all the bullshit that Harper unloaded last week.</p>
<p>Does the LPC have principles or not?</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott

as far as I know, there will still be a policy convention in Vancouver.

The Liberals who support OMOV should talk to their riding delegates or perhaps even run for a position as a delegate.

If the Liberals want a 308 riding strategy, they can propose one and can vote on it at a convention.

I&#039;m happy today for obvious reasons. But you;re right, I do hope Ignatieff borrows from that dude from Chicago ;) when it comes to having a team of rivals. The Liberals have great talent in their own caucus, enough to form a government all on its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott</p>
<p>as far as I know, there will still be a policy convention in Vancouver.</p>
<p>The Liberals who support OMOV should talk to their riding delegates or perhaps even run for a position as a delegate.</p>
<p>If the Liberals want a 308 riding strategy, they can propose one and can vote on it at a convention.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy today for obvious reasons. But you;re right, I do hope Ignatieff borrows from that dude from Chicago <img src='http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  when it comes to having a team of rivals. The Liberals have great talent in their own caucus, enough to form a government all on its own.</p>
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		<title>By: wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bully with brains,  PMSH &amp; Iggy are well matched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bully with brains,  PMSH &amp; Iggy are well matched.</p>
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