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Faux outrage and concern trolls.

Just an observation this AM to those in the media and those supporting other political parties who are moaning and whining about the Liberals “causing an election” with their decision to no longer support the Harper government in non-confidence votes this Fall Session of Parliament.

I don’t know why this bears repeating, since all these folks who are doing the complaining know this (or should know this) but the Liberals can’t bring down the government on its own; the other 2 parties in the H of C have to vote against the Conservatives as well. I find it amusing that the Liberals have been accused the past 3 years (with some validity) of propping up the Conservative government by the NDP, and mocked by some in the media of having no backbone in taking on Harper (again, with some validity), but now that Ignatieff has decided not to do that anymore, these same folks are bemoaning a potential “unwanted election” – which can only be caused if the other 2 opposition parties shows the same bravado now that their non-confidence vote actually means something and is relevant to bringing the Conservative government down.

It’s telling to me that the NDP bloggers and supporters in particular seem to be the most venomous over this Liberal decision. “A Toronto area Liberal and former denizen of the Hill” believes it’s because they actually hate Liberals more then they do the Conservatives. From all the evidence I’ve seen on NDP blogs or NDP supporting blogs of late, I can’t disagree: since Ignatieff’s announcement of withdrawing support, I’ve seen a lot more attacks on the Liberals and Iggy then I have Harper and the Conservatives.

(Interesting point made by that “Toronto area Liberal” about letting the dust settle in an election and THEN attempting an “entente cordiale” with the NDP. I have my guesses as to who the person in question might be.).

4 comments to Faux outrage and concern trolls.

  • I’ve always had less respect for the Liberals than the Conservatives.

    Both parties are right wing, with few substantive differences in policy.

    The difference is that the Conservatives admit that they are a right wing party, while the Liberals pretend otherwise.

    If I had to be stuck with a right wing government, I would as soon have a right wing government that admitted it as opposed to one that lies about it. But that’s just me.

    What I’d prefer to either of those outcomes is a government that supports the kind of progressive policies the Liberal Party pretends to believe in.

    But I know that I’ll never get that from the Liberals if they governed for a thousand years.

  • People who think Michael Ignatieff’s foreign policy is similar to Harper-Bushism because they agreed on ONE foreign policy decision are clearly not taking the issue seriously.

    Ignatieff’s foreign policy is about backing up your promises to protect the people of the world. It is one thing to say “never again” but if genocides keep happening and the “give the Taliban a chance” crowd in parties like the NDP are still against any form of intervention, we are only making platitudes when we promise to protect these people.

    That world view isn’t neo-conservatism at all. People who think it is should look up the term. Canada needs to contribute to international relations at more than a diplomatic level. Imagine negotiating something like the Responsibility to Protect Amendment to the UN Charter (the only amendment ever accepted) but then balking when it came time to actually protect.

    As for job creation and economic policy, the Tories have consistently believed that the only way to create jobs is to put money solely in the hands of rich people and business owners, while the liberals have gotten more involved in the economy, making more direct investments as well as cutting corporate taxes. (consistent liberal middle ground)

    Dippers who cant tell the difference in terms of foreign and economic policy are deluding themselves and seemingly are more than happy that the Tories end up getting elected because NDP success and Tory success are linked in this country, almost a perfect co-relation.

  • A couple points. First, on the issue of who is “causing” an election, I agree with you: it takes 308 MP’s failing to work together for a government to lose the confidence of the House. For the last several years in Canada, every party has attempted to position themselves by saying “We don’t want an election, but IF one were to happen, it would be because the other guys wouldn’t work with us.” It doesn’t really make sense in these situations to try to assign blame for the triggering of an election: the bottom line is that out off 308 MPs, there was no group of 155 that was willing to work together.

    Second, I want address your comments about Liberal-NDP relations. I am not one of the people bemoaning an election. I criticized Iggy for propping up Harper and personally I am glad that he has withdrawn his support (although, I’m waiting to see an actual vote before I believe it). I also don’t think that the NDP “hates” the Liberal Party. In the last election, we went very easy on Dion. The election before that, we were very hard on Martin. This election, we will be very hard on Iggy. Why the discrepancy? The fact is, we liked Dion more because he represented the more progressive wing of the Liberals. Iggy, like Martin, represents the conservative wing of the party.

    I think that there are a lot of really progressive Liberals out there (a lot of the folks on Progressive Bloggers, for example). I have no major problems with these folks (minor disagreements on the finer points of policy and strategy, but overall I agree with the orientation). But there is a disconnect between what these progressive Liberals believe in and what most of the Liberal caucus (particularly the leader) believes in. In other words, I’m hard on Iggy for the same reason that I’m hard on Harper: he’s way more right wing than I am. It’s really as simple as that.

    One of my biggest concerns about politics is that voters tend to just assume that a Liberal is a Liberal is a Liberal and that all Liberals are progressive. This is false and dangerous and the Liberals have exploited the assumption for a long time. They campaign to the left, knowing that most Canadian voters are progressives, and then govern from the right. That doesn’t mean I dislike the Liberals more than I dislike the Conservatives. But it does mean that my party is competing more directly with the Liberals for progressive votes. If we seem to focus our attention disproportionately on the Liberals, that’s way.

    Anyway, that’s just my 2 cents on the relationship between our parties.

    • Ian

      I second what @Devin Johnston said.

      I think we all know that Harper’s a lying, mysogonistic, theocratic hypocrite, and it doesn’t bear as much repeating these days.

      Ignatieff to me seems like little more than Harper without the Religious Right (i.e. same economic and foreign policies which I don’t support).

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