Comments on: Amendments and the ‘chamber of sober second thought’ still await Bill C-391. http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2009/11/05/amendments-and-the-chamber-of-sober-second-thought-still-await-bill-c-391/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:27:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Raspberry Rabbit http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2009/11/05/amendments-and-the-chamber-of-sober-second-thought-still-await-bill-c-391/comment-page-1/#comment-21167 Raspberry Rabbit Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:09:42 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/?p=6641#comment-21167 I'm glad the vote went the way it did. I grew up around guns and was well trained by my grandfather in their safe use. No registry can possibly stop a criminal using an illegal handgun to commit a crime. That's where efforts need to be applied. One hopes that some sensible amendments will appear which remove the access to firearms of people guilty of violent crimes. The long gun registry has always been a headache. It penalized the majority. I’m glad the vote went the way it did. I grew up around guns and was well trained by my grandfather in their safe use. No registry can possibly stop a criminal using an illegal handgun to commit a crime. That’s where efforts need to be applied. One hopes that some sensible amendments will appear which remove the access to firearms of people guilty of violent crimes.

The long gun registry has always been a headache. It penalized the majority.

]]> By: Big Winnie http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2009/11/05/amendments-and-the-chamber-of-sober-second-thought-still-await-bill-c-391/comment-page-1/#comment-21037 Big Winnie Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:48:35 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/?p=6641#comment-21037 DaveC: I've yet to hear how law abiding, gun owning, citizens are being harrassed. From what I know, once you register, there is nothing else to do. Your argument is pretty lame at best and the report released by the RCMP and the CAPC proves that the registry works. DaveC: I’ve yet to hear how law abiding, gun owning, citizens are being harrassed. From what I know, once you register, there is nothing else to do. Your argument is pretty lame at best and the report released by the RCMP and the CAPC proves that the registry works.

]]> By: DaveC http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2009/11/05/amendments-and-the-chamber-of-sober-second-thought-still-await-bill-c-391/comment-page-1/#comment-21030 DaveC Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:39:01 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/?p=6641#comment-21030 Oh FFS Scott and Winnie, do you really expect the registry workers to admit the registry is useless? The police use the registry every time they run ID. It does nothing to prevent crime, any more than registering a car prevents anyone from doing something criminal, stupid, or negligent when behind the wheel. You want a registry? Register criminals. Leave the law-abiding alone. Oh FFS Scott and Winnie, do you really expect the registry workers to admit the registry is useless?

The police use the registry every time they run ID. It does nothing to prevent crime, any more than registering a car prevents anyone from doing something criminal, stupid, or negligent when behind the wheel.

You want a registry? Register criminals. Leave the law-abiding alone.

]]> By: Big Winnie http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2009/11/05/amendments-and-the-chamber-of-sober-second-thought-still-await-bill-c-391/comment-page-1/#comment-21024 Big Winnie Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:17:43 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/?p=6641#comment-21024 Gotta love CON talking points! Never let facts get in the way of their fiction. As Susan Delacourt reported: "Less than 24 hours after the Commons voted in principle to scrap the long-gun registry, here's the newly released performance report on the Canadian Firearms Centre. It's spending less, attracting more registrants and police are using the registry more -- almost 4,000 times last year. Yep, that's an argument to kill it" http://thestar.blogs.com/politics/2009/11/guns-dont-kill-registries-only-mps-do.html Kinda changes things doesn't it. As for Van Loan's response, if he wasn't trying to suppress the report until after the vote, why didn't he release it on Tues? Gotta love CON talking points! Never let facts get in the way of their fiction.

As Susan Delacourt reported:

“Less than 24 hours after the Commons voted in principle to scrap the long-gun registry, here’s the newly released performance report on the Canadian Firearms Centre. It’s spending less, attracting more registrants and police are using the registry more — almost 4,000 times last year. Yep, that’s an argument to kill it”

http://thestar.blogs.com/politics/2009/11/guns-dont-kill-registries-only-mps-do.html

Kinda changes things doesn’t it. As for Van Loan’s response, if he wasn’t trying to suppress the report until after the vote, why didn’t he release it on Tues?

]]> By: Jim http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2009/11/05/amendments-and-the-chamber-of-sober-second-thought-still-await-bill-c-391/comment-page-1/#comment-21021 Jim Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:42:26 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/?p=6641#comment-21021 It does seem strange to me that the Liberals have been willing to piss off a voting block of 2 million firearms owners, more if you consider the folks who never registered their arms. My guess would be closer to 4 or 5 million citizens. Funny too is the out and out lies from the Libs to defend their misguided registry. Prior to it's implimentation, a study was done to try and determine the number of firearms in Canada...that number was pegged at between 14 and 19 million. Yet the Libs claimed close to 98% compliance with a shade over 7 million firearms in the system. Lies. The Libs also lied and cooked the books to hide cost overruns. Nope, the registry has been a sham from the get go. I can hardly wait for the day that the Auditor General gets to do a forensic audit of the whole mess. Smart Liberals would be wise to let this thing die and get the monkey off their back. But, if you want to keep creeching about what a great injustice it's demise is, perhaps we can get the AG in there for that audit a little sooner...it outta make AdScam look like lunch money. It does seem strange to me that the Liberals have been willing to piss off a voting block of 2 million firearms owners, more if you consider the folks who never registered their arms. My guess would be closer to 4 or 5 million citizens.

Funny too is the out and out lies from the Libs to defend their misguided registry. Prior to it’s implimentation, a study was done to try and determine the number of firearms in Canada…that number was pegged at between 14 and 19 million.

Yet the Libs claimed close to 98% compliance with a shade over 7 million firearms in the system.

Lies.

The Libs also lied and cooked the books to hide cost overruns.

Nope, the registry has been a sham from the get go. I can hardly wait for the day that the Auditor General gets to do a forensic audit of the whole mess.

Smart Liberals would be wise to let this thing die and get the monkey off their back.

But, if you want to keep creeching about what a great injustice it’s demise is, perhaps we can get the AG in there for that audit a little sooner…it outta make AdScam look like lunch money.

]]> By: CADGO http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2009/11/05/amendments-and-the-chamber-of-sober-second-thought-still-await-bill-c-391/comment-page-1/#comment-21020 CADGO Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:18:11 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/?p=6641#comment-21020 <a href="#comment-21015" rel="nofollow">@Annonymous</a>, The Police Chief association receives hundreds of thousands in funding from the computer company that is in charge of the gun registry. Do you really trust their opinion? A recent survey of 900 street cops show that 868 wanted the long gun registry scrapped. I shoot with police at the range and they have never had anything good to say about the long gun registry. @Annonymous,

The Police Chief association receives hundreds of thousands in funding from the computer company that is in charge of the gun registry. Do you really trust their opinion? A recent survey of 900 street cops show that 868 wanted the long gun registry scrapped. I shoot with police at the range and they have never had anything good to say about the long gun registry.

]]> By: DJ http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2009/11/05/amendments-and-the-chamber-of-sober-second-thought-still-await-bill-c-391/comment-page-1/#comment-21018 DJ Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:46:49 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/?p=6641#comment-21018 I am proud of Iggy. He is ignoring the left-nutbar wing of the party. The registry needed to be tossed years ago, but you people (Bob Rae apologists) were controlling the Liberal party. Perhaps moving to the centre will finally give us some votes in rural and western Canada. I am proud of Iggy. He is ignoring the left-nutbar wing of the party. The registry needed to be tossed years ago, but you people (Bob Rae apologists) were controlling the Liberal party. Perhaps moving to the centre will finally give us some votes in rural and western Canada.

]]> By: Gary http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2009/11/05/amendments-and-the-chamber-of-sober-second-thought-still-await-bill-c-391/comment-page-1/#comment-21017 Gary Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:51:28 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/?p=6641#comment-21017 If the Liberal Party ever wants to gain any reasonable traction in the 92 and increasing in number seats in the West, they had better respond to the concerns of honest gun owners. The long gun registry is an affront to many many people here. It is an expensive, ineffective boondoggle and deserves to die forthwith. Defending this affront simply cements that miserable last place position the Liberal party holds here. Maybe you can get enough seats in Quebec to win an election but I doubt it. Particularly with the balance of power moving westward. If the Liberal Party ever wants to gain any reasonable traction in the 92 and increasing in number seats in the West, they had better respond to the concerns of honest gun owners. The long gun registry is an affront to many many people here. It is an expensive, ineffective boondoggle and deserves to die forthwith. Defending this affront simply cements that miserable last place position the Liberal party holds here. Maybe you can get enough seats in Quebec to win an election but I doubt it. Particularly with the balance of power moving westward.

]]> By: billg http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2009/11/05/amendments-and-the-chamber-of-sober-second-thought-still-await-bill-c-391/comment-page-1/#comment-21016 billg Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:07:44 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/?p=6641#comment-21016 Its funny to watch and listen to the panic that is the Gun Registry. The LPC finally does something to help the party, Ignatief takes a big step in getting the party back to the main stream and for some reason the left blogs are in full nutty mode. 163 MP's voted against a bill that treats law abiding gun owners as criminals and some Libs are pissed? This bill will be amended, Ignatief will have a hand in re-writing it and when its done it will be a fair register to every Canadian, and, the LPC will be seen as a party that understands that in a lot of homes a gun is kept for safety and hunting reasons. It was a bad piece of knee jerk legislation that's cost the LPC votes and trust. Iggy did good. Baby steps. Its funny to watch and listen to the panic that is the Gun Registry. The LPC finally does something to help the party, Ignatief takes a big step in getting the party back to the main stream and for some reason the left blogs are in full nutty mode. 163 MP’s voted against a bill that treats law abiding gun owners as criminals and some Libs are pissed? This bill will be amended, Ignatief will have a hand in re-writing it and when its done it will be a fair register to every Canadian, and, the LPC will be seen as a party that understands that in a lot of homes a gun is kept for safety and hunting reasons. It was a bad piece of knee jerk legislation that’s cost the LPC votes and trust. Iggy did good. Baby steps.

]]> By: Annonymous http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2009/11/05/amendments-and-the-chamber-of-sober-second-thought-still-await-bill-c-391/comment-page-1/#comment-21015 Annonymous Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:34:29 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/?p=6641#comment-21015 Interesting point of view from the police chief association: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/we-lose-the-gun-registry-at-our-peril/article1350091/ Let's keep the gun registry. It saves lives! Interesting point of view from the police chief association:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/we-lose-the-gun-registry-at-our-peril/article1350091/

Let’s keep the gun registry. It saves lives!

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