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	<title>Comments on: Some more on the Conservatives imitating Ebenezer Scrooge vis-a-vis KAIROS</title>
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		<title>By: matttbastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>matttbastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-21841&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@patrica&lt;/a&gt;, 

Ok, I&#039;ll bite, just this once (but don&#039;t expect me to keep handing out tidbits everytime a troll comes a-beggin&#039;).

Anyway, for starters, patrica, it helps to, y&#039;know, click the provided links before offering a dumbassed counterargument of sorts via half-formed anecdote (not the plural of data, natch).

From the CRC statement:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;We place a very high value on KAIROS, and thank God that the Christian Reformed Church can be a member denomination,&quot;&lt;/b&gt; Adema said in an interview. &quot;With many other Christian denominations, through KAIROS we have been able to promote justice and hope in many parts of the world, standing up for marginalized and vulnerable people.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like one of Canada&#039;s major denominations values its relationship with and the work done by KAIROS. YMMV, of course.

(Serioiusly, sucking back too much socon kool-aid rots more than just teeth.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-21841" rel="nofollow">@patrica</a>, </p>
<p>Ok, I&#8217;ll bite, just this once (but don&#8217;t expect me to keep handing out tidbits everytime a troll comes a-beggin&#8217;).</p>
<p>Anyway, for starters, patrica, it helps to, y&#8217;know, click the provided links before offering a dumbassed counterargument of sorts via half-formed anecdote (not the plural of data, natch).</p>
<p>From the CRC statement:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>&#8220;We place a very high value on KAIROS, and thank God that the Christian Reformed Church can be a member denomination,&#8221;</b> Adema said in an interview. &#8220;With many other Christian denominations, through KAIROS we have been able to promote justice and hope in many parts of the world, standing up for marginalized and vulnerable people.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like one of Canada&#8217;s major denominations values its relationship with and the work done by KAIROS. YMMV, of course.</p>
<p>(Serioiusly, sucking back too much socon kool-aid rots more than just teeth.)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Tribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Tribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-21841&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@patrica&lt;/a&gt;, If KAIROS was as negligible as you assert, major mainstream Christian and faith organizations wouldn&#039;t be members or vigorously defending KAIROS.  Remember, all these mainstream Christian churches are actual members of the KAIROS board and help to formulate its stances and policies -  they&#039;re not just some informal sponsors of the group. 

Furthermore, if the people in your church don&#039;t know what KAIROS does, its incumbent upon them to educate themselves.  I have a hard time believing that if they did educate themselves of KAIROS policies and programs (and by extension, what their own denomination supports, since if it is indeed a KAIROS member, it helped put those policies and programs in place) such as helping raped women in the Congo, or human rights awareness in Indonesia, and so on, that the majority of them would be against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-21841" rel="nofollow">@patrica</a>, If KAIROS was as negligible as you assert, major mainstream Christian and faith organizations wouldn&#8217;t be members or vigorously defending KAIROS.  Remember, all these mainstream Christian churches are actual members of the KAIROS board and help to formulate its stances and policies &#8211;  they&#8217;re not just some informal sponsors of the group. </p>
<p>Furthermore, if the people in your church don&#8217;t know what KAIROS does, its incumbent upon them to educate themselves.  I have a hard time believing that if they did educate themselves of KAIROS policies and programs (and by extension, what their own denomination supports, since if it is indeed a KAIROS member, it helped put those policies and programs in place) such as helping raped women in the Congo, or human rights awareness in Indonesia, and so on, that the majority of them would be against it.</p>
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		<title>By: patrica</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-21830&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@matttbastard&lt;/a&gt;,  you say that Kairos is respected, on what basis do you say that? I&#039;m affiliated with a kairos church and nobody really knows who or what they are. If they did, they would not, for the most part, support them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-21830" rel="nofollow">@matttbastard</a>,  you say that Kairos is respected, on what basis do you say that? I&#8217;m affiliated with a kairos church and nobody really knows who or what they are. If they did, they would not, for the most part, support them.</p>
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		<title>By: deBeauxOs</title>
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		<dc:creator>deBeauxOs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenney may have &quot;mis-spoken&quot; by expressing these views publicly, in a venue where his comments were recorded.

But it wasn&#039;t accidental.  There&#039;s a pattern there, and a tightly scripted trajectory being charted by the rightwing socon religious fundamentalist in the PMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenney may have &#8220;mis-spoken&#8221; by expressing these views publicly, in a venue where his comments were recorded.</p>
<p>But it wasn&#8217;t accidental.  There&#8217;s a pattern there, and a tightly scripted trajectory being charted by the rightwing socon religious fundamentalist in the PMO.</p>
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		<title>By: matttbastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>matttbastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Methinks the Tories really stepped in it by slandering a prominent, respected Christian organization (even one that swings left). They are walking a &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; fine line here and run the risk of alienating their Evangelical base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methinks the Tories really stepped in it by slandering a prominent, respected Christian organization (even one that swings left). They are walking a <i>very</i> fine line here and run the risk of alienating their Evangelical base.</p>
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