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A comparison between Christian groups; who gets gov't funded, who doesn't

These folks, as pointed out by BigCityLib, get funded. I’ll quote from one of the members from that group her description of the aims of that group:

Learners who begin in their mother language have better cognitive development and are likely able to handle demanding subject matter. Trudell says their whole approach to education is with an eye cast toward the Gospel….Once the translations are completed and available, churches can move forward in discipleship, while keeping the community’s identity intact, much more quickly. “If the education system can produce readers of the Scripture,” says Trudell, “that’s a real boost for us in Bible translation because we have an automatic, ready-made audience”

On the other hand, KAIROS Canada has had their funding cut from the government. You might remember that Bev Oda and Jason Kenney had conflicting reasons why grants to KAIROS Canada were cut. Whatever the reason, I decided to ask one of the KAIROS Canada folks whether their mission aims and goals involved biblical translation into native languages, and the response I got back was this:

Our program in the (3rd world) is international development. We work with both church and non-church groups. However, even in our work with church groups the focus is on their work of social change, transformation of communities and empowerment for development —not on religious education or aspects of mission.

So, Christian groups that practise social activism and international development and such is out with the Conservatives, but Christian groups who provide Biblical translation for the purpose of converting folks to their particular version of Christianity (that the Conservative government apparently approves of) is in.

By the way, before certain folks jump all over me, I have nothing against Christian religious groups providing translation of the Bible into native languages – I’ve been a member of Christian churches whose missionaries or aid workers do that as part of their mission. But, those groups did that with their own money, not with a government grant.

It’s telling that this government believes Biblical translation to be more important then ecological justice or human rights and fair trade, which is what KAIROS Canada aims to achieve.

UPDATE @ 12:58 pm: Some other Christian groups that Harper likes to fund.

27 comments to A comparison between Christian groups; who gets gov’t funded, who doesn’t

  • mesmer

    I think what’s missing in the commentaries is the understanding that Christians are a very very diverse crew, hailing from the left (Liberation Theology) and from the right (evangelical, etc..), and from everywhere in between. Some Christians, frankly, really have very little in common with one another, and the Christian right has struggled with the Christian left from before we used such words for political affiliation.

    Harper, Kenney at al have tipped their hands re. the funding of the Christian evangelical right, and the defunding of KAIROS which does not evangelize, but is engaged in Social Justice & Human Rights work.

    The release of Marci Macdonald’s book is timely, and highlights these issues.

  • Larry

    They’re all just quoting the original source in some way or another.

    Al, you remind me of someone who is on edge. You can find peace through Jesus. Never mind the religious scandals of late…they’re just the messengers and not very good ones at that. Go to the original source and find out what God wants for you.

  • Al

    @Larry
    Thats the trouble with “Christians”. They think they have a lock on morality,while the fact is it’s quite the opposite. (note Priests and Ministers of late) Now read the same truism regarding “do unto others” from other faiths and you’ll see it’s a Universall sentiment, not an invention of “Christians”

    Baha’i

    “Lay not on any soul a load that you would not wish to be laid upon you, and desire not for anyone the things you would not desire for yourself. ” — Baha’u’llah”

    And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself.” — Epistle to the Son of the Wolf

    Buddhism

    “Treat not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful.” — Udana-Varga 5.18

    Christianity

    “All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.” — Matthew 7:1

    Confucianism

    “Surely it is the maxim of loving-kindness: Do not unto others that you would not have them do unto you.” — Analects 12:2

    Hinduism

    “This is the sum of duty: do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you.” — Mahabharata 5:1517

    Islam

    “None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.” — Number 13 of Imam “Al-Nawawi’s Forty Hadiths.”

    Jainism

    “One should treat all creatures in the world as one would like to be treated.” — Mahavira, Sutrakritanga 1.11.33

    Judaism

    “What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. That is the law: all the rest is commentary” — Talmud, Shabbath 31a

    Native American

    “All things are our relatives; what we do to everything, we do to ourselves. All is really One.” — Black Elk

    “We are as much alive as we keep the earth alive.” — Chief Dan George

    Sikhism

    “I am a stranger to no one; and no one is a stranger to me. Indeed, I am a friend to all.” — Guru Granth Sahib, p.1299

    Taoism

    “Regard your neighbor’s gain as your own gain and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss.” — T’ai Shang Kan Ying P’ien 213-218

    Unitarianism

    “We affirm and promote respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.” — Unitarian principle

    Wiccan

    “An it harm none, do what ye will.” — Wiccan Rede

    Zoroastrianism

    “Do not do unto others whatever is injurious to yourself. — Shayast-na-Shayast 13.29

    Please remember as you go about your day, and interact with others, to treat them as you wish to be treated.

    “No act of kindness, however small, is ever wasted.” (Aesop)

  • Anon

    ‘How bout “do onto others as you would have them do onto you” Simple really.’ So if someone smacks another in the face, they should return the favour? Right?

  • leeky

    “I’m a United Church of Canada member, as a matter of fact.”

    I did not know that. If that’s the case, what do you consider yourself first, a Christian or a Liberal?

    • @leeky, It’s not an either/or question. I’m a Christian who happens to be a Liberal (and liberal), or I’m a liberal/Liberal who happens to be Christian. I don’t see a conflict with the 2 in my own mind and my own value system.

  • Larry

    You’re your quoting from that “2000 year old superstition.”

  • Al

    @Larry
    How bout “do onto others as you would have them do onto you” Simple really. No 2000 year old superstitions required.

  • Larry

    So Al, what moral code do you follow? The Liberal party redbook?

  • Alison S

    Anybody who has been paying any attention to the Harpies, knows that Marci MacDonald is correct. In my view, she has been too kind about it, in interviews at any rate. These people want to turn us into a virtual theocracy. Having grown up in Quebec during the Duplessis/Catholic Church era, I can tell you it can be a misery to live in that sort of society. Be afraid, be very afraid and vote Harpie out.

  • Al

    @ Larry
    Talk about smug,you’re suggesting only Christians can be moral?

  • foottothefire

    Jason relies upon Bnaí’Brith to establish his, “Kenney’s List”

  • Excellent connection you made there, with respect with KAIROS funding being slashed.

  • Larry

    Ahhh, the anti-Christian, anti-moralist left seems pretty smug today. So sad…

  • Al

    Be afraid,be very afraid.

  • Anon

    The most sicking thing about religion is how religions are out there trying to convert to increase their numbers within their own belief system. That is all it is about. One big war as to whom will lead with the largest numbers. It’s all about mind control over something that doesn’t exist.

  • Observer

    Scott,

    It was obvious a while ago that discretionary funding would move from the big religious organization to the evangelicals. The *active* Harper/Con base is more evangelical then mainstream religion.

    (btw, Kairos funding is just as bad as Evangelical funding. The former, as mentioned before, is just “reputation laundering” for bad actors such as the Catholic Bishops to claim to their people they’re doing “good” even at the same time they are actively working to kill people in the U.S. by trying to stop universal healthcare.)

    Evangelical funding is just banal vote buying influence peddling. It’s just a bone that they tried to quietly throw to shore up their base.

    Using the principle of Occam’s Razor, as a starting point you should just assume everything to do funding, taxation and money with the Harper/Cons is about vote buying.

    Just based on who benefits from the changes and who doesn’t, one could easily predict 95% of their political, funding and tax decisions and legislation initiatives.

    This isn’t hard. You shouldn’t make this more than it is.

  • Bob

    Conspiracy theorists drawing conclusions and connecting dots always proof text their research. MacDonald begins with her convoluted theory and then ‘substantiates’ it by using selective research and guilty by association references. Reading the abstract was a waste of my time.

    • @Bob, Here are some other Christian groups Harper and his government like to fund. If they’re evangelical/fundamentalist, it appears you’re in this government’s good graces.

    • Jon Pertwee

      @Bob, Funny Bob, at least she proves her argument and cites research (sorry she didnt consult you). Unlike Conservative arguments which are usually based on vitriol, hot air and ignorance. No need for the facts if they disprove you right?

  • ck

    Scott, you may also want to google “youth for Christ”, a new so-called ‘youth centre’ in Winnipeg which is also getting funding. Opposition parties had already accused the Harpercons of subsidizing conversions of young people way before Marci McDonald came out with her book.

    On of its’ missions does indeed appear to be conversion.

  • JMR

    How many lives does a tranlated bible save?

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