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All of mainstream Christian-dom now opposes Census change!

The entire spectrum of mainstream Christianity now opposes the Census decision:

The country’s Roman Catholic bishops have joined the chorus asking the federal government to reverse a decision to scrap the mandatory long census form.

In case you’re counting, they join the Anglicans, the United Church (which happens to be the church I’m a member of), and The Fellowship of Christian Evangelicals in condemning this, not to mention the Canadian Jewish Congress.  Who’s left from Judeo-Christiandom that will stand up with Harper and rail against government tyranny!!?

Maybe Harper’s small church will issue a statement and come to his rescue.

More seriously, this is why the Census continues to be a story; yes, there is some validity to the notion this wouldnt be an issue if it wasnt the summer, but when prominent organizations and groups continue to register their opposition to this move, it can’t be ignored, as some on the conservative side fervently wish.

By the way, a really really good article in the Halifax Chronicle-Herald today from Gail Lethbridge, that deserves mention. It’s titled I give more credit to Canadians then Harper does. Here’s an excerpt:

No matter how you slice it: voluntary information means less information. And less information means more ignorance. And more ignorance means more power to the powerful and less power to you and me. The people who want to make the long-form census voluntary are powerful and they are counting on that glorious Canadian summertime haze to complete their mission. Why else would they lob it to us in the middle of summer?

Just to add to her point, why else would they do this with no public consultations or consultations with the groups who use the Census Data, and no parliamentary hearings or debates or a vote? Why do it secretly with a Cabinet  order-in-council on the eve of Canada Day with Parliament out of session? “Because they can” is not an acceptable answer for a party that promised accountability on being elected.

15 comments to All of mainstream Christian-dom now opposes Census change!

  • Redrum

    As I suspected, you’re just a punk. Big whoop, about, what .2% of the populace gave a punk answer on a wide-spread dare to a q. they had no stake in, which any statistician with a serious interest in that category just reclassify as “no religion.” That shows absolutely zilch about the overall reliability of the Census, but lots about the intellectual poverty & dishonesty of those who try to wield this as an anti-intellectual light sabre. Conbot twit.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

  • ridenrain

    I’m sure 21,000 Canadian jedi would agree with you.

  • Redrum

    @ acridrain:
    – gee, if we use the fact that some people put goofy responses to some long form census q’s to invalidate its results & scrap the long form census, shouldn’t we also use the fact that some people spoil their ballots to invalidate the last election’s result, disband the gov’t, & abolish elections?

    – your description of what’s happened at Kinsella’s site over the past couple weeks on this is ridiculously overblown: first, not everyone who disagreed w. him was even a Liberal; second, some of the most vociferous respondents were only (sometime) Liberal voters, not party members; third, we weren’t browbeating him or trying to force him into silence or submission: it’s his blog, he posts the topics & decides which comments to post — he _wanted_ the discussions on the issue; fourth, far from being a shameful display, a healthy, fact-filled debate is a sign of a democratic and responsive party, unlike the reign of stifling gag orders & fear that characterizes the Harper Cons; & fifth, even so, there are dissenting voices in the Con. tent, too, incl. one of _their_ former strategists, Keith Beardsley ( http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/author/kbeardsleynp/ ) and a sitting MP (James Rajotte: http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/07/19/14759766.html

    – But for a genuinely shameful example of politics and a damning example of Conservative party values, just look at Clement’s testimony to the Parliamentary Committee: where he not only led everyone to believe that the earlier reports were right, that most of the additional $30-M would be spent on advertising & follow-up on getting more responses to the _long_ form to enhance its reliability (whereas it turns out that the additional $25-M will just be to try to convince people to answer the _short_ form now that the Cons & the Sun have undermined StatCan in general & the Census in particular so badly)

    but he also told a manifest untruth when he claimed that it was the Trudeau gov’t that introduced the intrusive long form in ’71, & that before that there was only the short form.

    In fact, it’s the opposite: they introduced the short form! Before ’71, it was just the long and the _longer_ forms people had to do. A hundred years earlier (1871), there were 211 q’s in the census! And as many as 561 in 1901 (if you got stuck answering all 9 types of q’res).

    http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2006/ref/about-apropos/hist-eng.cfm

    Gradually, some of the extra sets of q’s were split off into sep. q’s like a farming one (which still exists), and a fishing one, & a housing one. But the core population one, which everyone had to do, had b/w 30 and 40 q’s. Like this 1961 one: http://www.uottawa.ca/academic/arts/cdn/ccri/CCRI/Images/1961%20Schedule.pdf And that year, 20% of households also had to do a long one on internal migration, fertility and income. http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2006/ref/rp-guides/rp/sw-ep/sw-ep_p03-eng.cfm

    And besides introducing the short(er)* form in ’71, the Trudeau gov’t actually made the Census a whole lot _less_ intrusive that year by letting people fill out the forms & send them in on their own rather than having to tell them all to an enumerator.

    * note, even the shorter form in ’71 still had a whole bunch of housing q’s: here’s the q’re: http://www.uottawa.ca/academic/arts/cdn/ccri/CCRI/Images/1971%20Schedule.pdf

    So the Cons not only hate & play fast & loose with contemporary data, but with history, as well.

  • ridenrain

    It’s so hard to keep these faux-scandals on the boil.
    The fact that people make a joke out of the long census form doesn’t fit in with this forced agenda so they need to keep this quiet. They also need to silence the fact that Warren Kinsella also called the census intrusive. Go over and read the comments from upset Liberals who were angry he didn’t join the dog pile. It’s a shameful example of politics and a damning example of Liberal party values.

  • kmartin`

    Jon Pertwee Reply:
    August 1st, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    @ridenrain, beating that dead horse until it’s flat right Ridofbrain?

    Do you think you can find a new comment or is that too hard for you?

    Oh come on ridofbrain, surely you can do better than merely ape the CPoC talking points. You’ve not been able to expand on what the Conservatives emailed to you.

    Once again you lack proof ridofbrain, meaning this is just hot air. Just because some conbot troll agrees with you doesn’t mean your right. It just means that they received the same Conbot email with the same lame talking points.

    If you really have an opinion, or a brain, why dont you find it and come up with something original to say Ridofbrain.

    @ridenrain, you might say that ridofbrain, but you lack credibility as you regularily spout out talking points and never back up your argument.

    So what makes your hot air more than just hot air. Oh wait… nothing.

    More ridofbrain tripe.

    JOHN..ALL YOUR POSTS ARE HOT AIR.

  • Jon Pertwee

    @ridenrain, you might say that ridofbrain, but you lack credibility as you regularily spout out talking points and never back up your argument.

    So what makes your hot air more than just hot air. Oh wait… nothing.

    More ridofbrain tripe.

  • ridenrain

    There’s no better line than the truth. 21000 Canadians find this census so intrusive they made a joke out of it. What was the compliance rate? If only a fraction were filling it out truthfully, what’s the value in keeping it?

    I’d say you’re the ones riding the dead horse.

    • Jon Pertwee

      @ridofbrain, plus how do you know all 21000 that you claim found it intrusive. Who’s to say that some werent just being smartasses.

      More crap from ridofbrain. Credibility just ain’t your thing.

    • Jon Pertwee

      @ridenrain, Oh come on ridofbrain, surely you can do better than merely ape the CPoC talking points. You’ve not been able to expand on what the Conservatives emailed to you.

      Once again you lack proof ridofbrain, meaning this is just hot air. Just because some conbot troll agrees with you doesn’t mean your right. It just means that they received the same Conbot email with the same lame talking points.

      If you really have an opinion, or a brain, why dont you find it and come up with something original to say Ridofbrain.

  • ridenrain

    And all 21,000 Canadian Jedi.
    .. I wonder if Jedi even need bathrooms in their houses.
    Good thing we have that census to help us solve these vital questions.

    • Jon Pertwee

      @ridenrain, beating that dead horse until it’s flat right Ridofbrain?

      Do you think you can find a new comment or is that too hard for you?

  • Ottlib

    Of course. The long-form is due to ask the religion question this time around. The next time that question will be asked again is in 2021 and the last time it was asked was in 2001.

    That is a long time to go without up-to-date data about the religious make-up of this country.

  • How about Presbyterians?

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