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Canada loses/withdraws bid for UN Security Council Seat. The Cons Blame Game starts as predicted.

So unbelievably, Harper’s Conservative government has managed to do what no Liberal or Progressive Conservative government has ever done before in the history of the UN’s inception; we failed to win the rotating Security Council seats for our area – to Germany and Portugal. I don’t know if that’s impressive or appalling; maybe both.

And of course, we already have the Harperites trying to blame Ignatieff for it. We have Dimitri Soudas issuing this pathetic news release (followed by a much classier Liberal release), and we have Lawrence “Loose” Cannon with this crybaby tirade unworthy of a Cabinet Minister.

At the risk of repeating myself from the last blogpost, maybe the moral of the story is that international countries might notice you’re not that serious about the UN when your Prime Minister stays at home to campaign at a Tim Hortons on the same day President Obama is making his first major speech at the UN about climate change. THAT might have something to do with it and cutting off aid to African donor countries without warning, and sabotaging climate talks in general… not because Ignatieff has the power and influence to change every UN ambassador’s mind internationally with a 2 paragraph observation on Canada at the UN under the Conservatives (that no one else in the world even knew about until Lawrence Cannon started ranting about it to said ambassadors, who were calling it “weird” that a Canadian foreign minister would openly attack an opposition party leader at a supposedly international pitch for getting this Security Council Seat).

By the way.. one other thing: Anyone happen to remember a letter an opposition leader wrote to the WSJ criticizing Chretien for not going to Iraq? Was that different/worse/better from this scenario that the Conservatives are accusing Ignatieff of?

Maybe someone should ask Loose Cannon about that.

29 comments to Canada loses/withdraws bid for UN Security Council Seat. The Cons Blame Game starts as predicted.

  • Redrum you are free to call me names, it is par for the course at Lib blogs. Canada lost an opportunity to work from within with a Security seat. You believe this Government is not worthy or capable of making improvements at the United Nations. I disagree.

    Like Ignatieff you feel Canada is undeserving with Stephen at the helm. A key difference between Liberals and myself is I am a Canadian first, than a partisan. Liberals can’t get past the fact they are not in power.

    Since 2004 Paul Martin-Stephen Harper have taken turns with a minority. The opposition decided to remove confidence from Paul and the voters rejected the Liberals in a general election. Stephen has won two elections increased his seats and popular vote.

    For all the complaining the Liberals have a spectacular record in supporting the Conservative agenda. The Bloc even gave Stephen two thumbs up in two budget in 2006.

    When will Liberals stop supporting this government and vote non-confidence?

    • Redrum

      @CanadianSense, And when will con-bots stop changing the subject whenever their own leaders’ shortcomings become painfully evident.. and stop daring people to break the fixed election date their own party enacted (and violated)? Your time will come, soon enough.

    • Jon Pertwee

      @CanadianSense, “A key difference between Liberals and myself is I am a Canadian first, than a partisan.”

      Pure Bollocks!!! A simple search of your trolling over the years would prove that wrong. Hell, even that post shows you are a partisan first, and not a very objective one at that. The name calling angle is also pure BS. It didnt work for Bocanut whenever he attempted it and it doesnt work for you. Nice try Patsy.

      Now, back to your delusions and ending posts with off topic questions.

  • This is really simple: Harper and Co pushed for this, thought they had it wrapped up, and clearly didn’t. That’s a diplomatic failure. Conservative FAIL. End of story.

  • kwittet

    I say who cares..the UN is a joke in that it only takes on issues that are going to make it look good. There are many examples of the UN’s lack of action that has led to far worse outcomes.

    No great loss for Canada.

  • Redrum Reply:
    October 13th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    @CanadianSense, Huh? On kinsella’s site, you said “the media and opposition ignored the facts that the previous contests for UN seats were NOT a contest” — but I’ve just shown that the previous two competitions that Canada won _were_ 3-way races we had to compete in which we won on the first ballot, so:
    – there’s _no_ spin in saying that this latest result is something of an embrassment; and,
    – since 10 of the last 16 (incl. 2010) elections in the western european & others grouping were contested, the media can be forgiven for overlooking that some were not; and,
    – your seizing on that ‘this is the first time Germany competed’ quote was grasping at straws, and you… just drowned.

    The MSM and partisan SPIN is Canada has NEVER lost and won every time. You are FREE to overlook and GLOSS the distortion of both. Straws, I think this is a win-win for Conservatives. I have already listed an article why and feel free to ask those in your party is this is a slight against Canada’s position on Israel.
    http://www.nysun.com/foreign/support-for-israel-costs-canada-seat-on-un/87110/

  • This is GREAT NEWS. (Bear with me)
    The US Democrats are being blamed, Anti-Israel lobby. (Win-Win for Republicans, Independents,Conservatives in US/Canada)

    Only a few years ago, the American ambassador here would have made a public issue in defense of Canada. But in the maneuvering leading to today’s vote, American diplomats were all but absent.

    The the 57 countries of the Organizations of Islamic Conference – were united in voting for Portugal over Canada, mostly because of Mr. Harper’s record of supporting Israel.

    According to the official, Cravinho impressed many IOC members through his assertion that Portugal backs the Arab Peace Initiative in the Middle East. First proposed in 2002, the initiative calls for a “comprehensive” regional settlement in which Israel would revert to its borders before the 1967 Six-Day War, which Israel says was a defensive action.

    The Liberals NDP will have to defend anti-Israel vote in U.N. as if they want to adopt the Arab Peace Initiative of 2002 and take away land from Israel. Any idea how volunteers, donations will be affected in the US/Canada?

  • Brammer

    This was due to Harper’s foreign policy – A completely Israel-biased approach to the middle east and lack of support for women’s rights and family planning. Completely expected given Harper’s black / white, with us / against us approach to all things in life and his visceral hate for Liberals.

    No surprise here.

  • JimBobby,

    Feel free to refer to as a sore loser for standing up for CANADA. You are free to suggest this is our PM loss. Like H1N1, Haiti the Liberals tried to make it a failure of our government. I don’t accept gutter politics played by your team.

    Are you suggesting the signing of Kyoto and inaction by Liberals is the Conservative government fault since winning in 2006?
    Do you mean the refusal of China-India to submit to independent audits of Carbon reduction at Copenhagen is Canada’s fault? (Fossil Awards)

    The refusal to adopt the Pro Hamas-Fatah position on one state solution?
    In what world do you believe Canada has forsaken it principles? Climate Alarmists that ignore Co2 in the US or China (40%) for Canada 3.2% total Co2?

    Are these the conditions or principles Canada has to submit to win the U.N. seat?

    Portugal endorsed Canada over Germany. Here is a list of Security Council Members. I look forward to your logic how they BEAT Canada. This is not the World Cup.

    …If Canada’s failure to win a Security Council seat is a result of Conservative foreign policy, then it says more about the UN than it does about Canada.-Globe and Mail Editorial

    Not worth the price- Ottawa Citizen Editorial
    Any Canadian who today observes that the United Nations is a deeply flawed and in some ways corrupt organization will no doubt be accused of being a sore loser.
    http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/worth+price/3661716/story.html#ixzz12GVCy8Hs

    Security Council List: Tory Blogger
    http://searchingforliberty.blogspot.com/2010/10/un-security-counsel-rapists-murderers.html

    Again JimBobby read the comments from Liberals they are cheering and trying to pin this on a single government led by our PM. The record of the Liberals is spotless?

  • A quick perusal of the BT main page shows that very few of Harper’s biggest cheerleaders are buying the IggyDidIt excuse. The response, where it exists at all, seems to be that the UNSC is not a club Canada should be interested in joining. Classic sour grapes.

    I’ve heard a few comments that Canada, with our huge contribution to UN peacekeeping, deserved the seat. The trouble with that assessment is that UN documents show that tiny, cash-strapped Portugal contributes 341 personnel to UN peacekeeping while big, strong, economic powerhouse Canada is only contributing 221. Gambia (469), Fiji (263) and Ghana (3,724!) contribute more than Canada, ferchrissakes. Source: http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/contributors/2010/aug10_1.pdf

    BTW, I think they knew this was coming and that’s why they had Flaherty up on his hind legs with his economic update yesterday taking attention away from Flopminister Harper. The trip to Timmie’s, the embarrassing position in Copenhagen, the shifting of support away from Africa and the general disdain the Harpercons have for the UN and the international community are the reasons for the failure. If you want respect, you have to show some respect. It’s called diplomacy and there aren’t any diplomats in the Flopservative Party.

    JB

    • @JimBobby, I did not state we never had or won a contest. I was skeptical of the MSM and partisan spin of winning all the time and Canada NEVER lost. Redrum proves we have been given seats without an election. Feel free to challenge his links with own. This was fun let’s do it again.

      • Redrum

        @CanadianNonSense,

        Huh? What Bizarre Logic planet do you come from?

        On Kinsella’s site, you said “the media and opposition ignored the facts that the previous contests for UN seats were NOT a contest.” http + ://warrenkinsella.com/2010/10/bottom-line/#comment-12612

        But, again, I’ve shown in the other post that the previous two competitions that Canada won _were_ 3-way races which we had to compete in and which we won on the first ballot (beating Greece, both times), so:
        – there’s _no_ spin in saying that this latest result is thus something of an embarrassment; and,
        – since 10 of the last 16 (incl. 2010) elections in our Western European & Others Grouping were contested, and all 3 of our last 3 competitions _were_ 3-way races, the Cndn. media can be forgiven for overlooking/ not getting into the fact that some were not; and,
        – your seizing on that misleading ‘this is the first time Germany competed’ quote was just grasping at straws, and you… just drowned.

        But now you’re claiming I’ve “prove[n] we have been given seats without an election.”

        Bull. As those doc’s I unearthed make clear, there’s a lot of lobbying and jockeying that goes on behind the scenes to get nominated to run for each group’s position from year to year (there are 28 nations in our group, vying for 2 spots each time) even when it is a clean slate (w. just 2 nominated for the 2 free positions coming up), and even then, we still have to get elected with 2/3rds of the up to 198 participating nations’ votes (they can always _not_ vote for the sole candidates, which’d be mighty embarrassing, indeed), so, sorry, no, it’s not “factually incorrect” to say that we won even in the late 60s & 70s.

        You’re the only one spinning falsehoods, here, but, no, I don’t expect an apology from you for that: you’re probably incapable of admitting that you’re wrong.

        • @Redrum, You keep hanging on my quote as your defence? I asked a question as a skeptical person. Your research proved my hypothesis. The MSM and partisan spin was Canada has never lost a contest.

          You are free to talk about negotiations, horse trading and how Blocs work with taking “turns”. It only reinforces my point.

          The headlines and MSM don’t have that context so it is MISLEADING and factually incorrect to suggest a contest does occur and Canada has WON every time.

          I almost feel sorry for your team. It is not the first time your party has tried to push a fake story.

        • Redrum

          @RankNonSense, yes, I quote you to refute you — that’s how it works; yes, the contests do occur — there’s been 3 candidates for 2 positions in our last 3 competitions, and even in our 2 “clean slate” elections in the late 60s & 70s, the two contestants have to secure two-thirds of the votes; and yes, I suppose the press were wrong to overlook that we did lose once, in 1946, but give ’em a break, most of ’em weren’t even born yet, then; but, no, this isn’t OUR story (not that I belong to a party anyway, BTW) that this is Harper’s failure, it’s the WHOLE WORLD’s. (Sore) Loser.

        • @Redrum,

          Personal attacks is a sign you won the debate with a Liberal. Thank you again for the research.

        • Redrum

          @Grasping, The only point that’s come out is that Scott should amend his opening remarks slightly to say “Harper’s Conservative government has managed to do what no Liberal or Progressive Conservative government has done since 1947” instead of “ever done before in the history of the UN’s inception.”

          You want to snatch that slight 2 year revision Victory out of the jaws of defeat? Be my guest: ok, you win, Haper’s not a TOTAL failure, since William Lyon Mackenzie King also failed to get a seat once, 65 years ago. Whoopee! Vindication!

  • Simple test: When Canada was vying for security seats in the past was there an actual COMPETITION?

    Funny thing about Liberals is pretend they made a difference and have no difficulty in playing partisan politics on the world stage. When Bob Rae got deported from Sri Lanka, how did the Government react?

    Stay classy guys, the by elections will be another lesson in why play small politics won’t work. I predict Liberals will repeat the 2009 experience. Any takers?

    Busting the Liberal Myth is too easy:

    For the first time, the German government will be up against two competitors, Canada and Portugal. Eight years ago, only two countries were vying for the two seats allocated to the so-called Western group, and the same situation applied eight years before that.
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,717489,00.html

    • @CanadianSense, So, your point is that Canada can only win if we have no competition? Why do you hate Canada? BTW, it is Cannon and Harper who are pretending the Liberals made a difference with the absurd IggyDidIt meme. Sheesh!

      • @JimBobby, JB it appears Liberals are the most happiest when Canada loses. (When they are not in power)

        Do you have ANY proof in the previous contest Canada won the seat? Who did they beat and what year?

        • @CanadianSense, In 1998, there was a three-way race for two seats. Canada, the Netherlands and Greece were competing. Canada and the Netherlands prevailed.

          I ain’t a Liberal but I didn’t see any Liberals cheering or dancing in the streets because of Canada’s loss yesterday. Harper’s disrespect for the international community has brought shame to our country. Nobody is happy about that.

    • The Difference Maker

      @CanadianSense,
      Simple test: When Canada was vying for security seats in the past was there an actual COMPETITION?

      Let’s see, three candidates were vying for two positions via election determined by secret ballot. That would sound like a competition to anyone with an IQ over 50.

      “Funny thing about Liberals is pretend they made a difference and have no difficulty in playing partisan politics on the world stage.”

      You mean opposed to Harper taking pot-shots at the Liberals during G-20 meetings? Taking shots at your political opposition, something NO previous Lib or PC Prime Minister ever did on the world stage before. Stay stupid there CS.

      I won’t even bother commenting on the rest, you’re just going to fill up this thread with unrelated useless factless-based opinions …like always.

      • @The Difference Maker, The PM reacted to a statement attributed to Ignatieff regarding our role in global affairs, a staffer MADE a mistake because it was NOT Ignatieff. Can you find my post or comment defending that mistake? (Good luck)

        Apparently you have no information to refute the link I provided in the past UN security seats were NOT always contested.

        Thanks for your opinion, attack and absence of facts-evidence post refuting my SIMPLE test.

    • Redrum

      @CanadianSense, you demonstrate a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, when you posted here & esp. on Kinsella that there was a media conspiracy afoot since this was the first time that, ahem, GERMANY, faced a competition, & you impcluded (my newly coined neologism for ‘implied/concluded in a sneaky way’) that Canada had never had to compete before, so therefore this was no disgrace on Harper & the Libs were taking false credit.

      Nice try, but as JimBobby just ptd. out, we had to compete for our last spot (’99-00) in the ’98 election.

      And it turns out we unsuccessfully competed & withdrew after the third ballot once before: in the first election, way back in 1946 (we lost to Australia).

      www + .securitycouncilreport.org/site/c.glKWLeMTIsG/b.6238577/k.CC1/Special_Research_Report_No_3brSecurity_Council_Elections_2010br17_September_2010.htm

      I don’t know yet whether we had to compete for the next two (’48/49; ’58/59).

      But it looks like we didn’t have to compete for our first two stints (’67/68 & ’77/78) after we got regrouped from the ‘Commonwealth’ class to the Western European & Others Group (WEOG):

      “At the start of the modern geographical distribution of seats in the mid-1960s WEOG had a tendency towards clean slate elections. From 1966 to 1977 there were two candidates for the two seats available for every election.”

      www + .securitycouncilreport.org/site/c.glKWLeMTIsG/b.5488243/k.5A83/UN_Security_Council_Elections_2009.htm

      Since then (1978) there have been nine competitive elections and six clean slate elections.

      We’ve run twice in that period:

      – in 1998, for a ’99-00 slot, where we had to compete for against Greece and the Netherlands, and won on the first ballot (Greece lost)

      – in 1988, for a ’89-90 slot, where “Canada won on the first ballot with 127 votes, and Finland emerged to win on the third with 110 votes against 47 for Greece.”

      www + .javvo.com/colerche/Prize_000.htm

      http + ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_United_Nations_Security_Council#1966-2011

      • @Redrum, Interesting analysis. Your personal sleuthing has discovered the MSM and opposition SPIN is false and you than launch into a personal attack of “my lack of knowledge is a dangerous thing”

        Re-read my post at 8:17 am. I became skeptical of the MSM headline and partisan talking points.

        I gave credit to a Conservative poster last night that elections did NOT always take place for UN Security seats and to suggest Canada has “Won” them is factually incorrect. Thank you for your research and validating my hypothesis. An apology is not necessary, I look forward to your correcting Liberals and the MSM going forward.

        • Redrum

          @CanadianSense, Huh? On kinsella’s site, you said “the media and opposition ignored the facts that the previous contests for UN seats were NOT a contest” — but I’ve just shown that the previous two competitions that Canada won _were_ 3-way races we had to compete in which we won on the first ballot, so:
          – there’s _no_ spin in saying that this latest result is something of an embrassment; and,
          – since 10 of the last 16 (incl. 2010) elections in the western european & others grouping were contested, the media can be forgiven for overlooking that some were not; and,
          – your seizing on that ‘this is the first time Germany competed’ quote was grasping at straws, and you… just drowned.

  • AlisonS

    Harpie has more gall than any PM in my (long) lifetime. He is allowed to trash Canada in the US with impunity, but if anyone should happen to make a very valid observation on the effects of his so-called foreign policy – well boo hoo, sob, sob and it’s not my fault, he’s to blame. Has Harpie grown up past the kindergarten stage?

  • Shorter Conservative ‘position’: Ignatieff’s opinions are worth more internationally than PM Harper and his multi-million PR budget.

    Just saying.

    • JF

      That’s the puzzling bit about the Tories spin… by trying to pin the loss on Iggy they’re essentially saying that a 30 second offhand quip by the opposition leader to domestic media holds more international sway then everything the Harper Government does or says? Gee, sure would be nice to have a PM with that kind of global influence right?

      Now, back in the real world we all know that while Iggy is an internationally respect academic he doesn’t hold that kind of sway. So it’s just another case of Harper being the hyper-partisan “I didn’t do it” kid. It’s getting really sad to see just how unwilling the government is to accept it’s own failings and how eager they are to pass the buck whenever anything doesn’t go it’s way. I’m now fully sick of it.

      I’m at the point where I think we need to have an election, the Tories are adrift and reeling. While I’ve never believed that the Tories were the best choice to lead the nation they had earned the right to attempt to try but at this point I don’t think they possess the competency or temperament for it. Canada deserves better and can do better then this.

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