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All wanna-be owners of 50 caliber sniper rifles, rejoice

.. for soon, the yoke of government oppression will be lifted from you:

The powerful Ruger Mini-14 semi-automatic rifle (were) used in the 1989 Montreal massacre and this summer’s Norway bloodbath. Sniper rifles that can pierce light armour from a distance of up to 1.5 kilometres. Or one that can drop a target two kilometres away. They are all weapons that will soon be declassified under the Conservatives’ bill to kill the long-gun registry and freed from binding controls that now see them listed with the RCMP-run database…Restricted or prohibited firearms such automatic assault rifles, sawed-off shotguns or handguns are not affected by the bill and would remain under current controls. But under Bill C-19, the law would no longer require a licensed gun owner to hold a registration certificate for “non-restricted” weapons.

The government’s “reasoning” for this is that these are “non-restricted” weapons – ergo, they therefore don’t need any controls on them at all. I find that to be insane – if anything, these weapons should be ADDED to the restricted or prohibited firearms list. Can anyone tell me why a duck hunter or a farmer needs to own a couple of different weapons that can pierce light armour? Are animals suddenly donning flak jackets?

There’s going to be a lot of damage that will need to be undone once this Conservative government falls from power. The vandals are clearly in control right now. If any of the NDP leadership candidates or the Liberals declare that one of their first priorities is bringing back the long gun registry, and putting back these controls the Conservatives are recklessly throwing away. they have my instant support.

21 comments to All wanna-be owners of 50 caliber sniper rifles, rejoice

  • stan

    “The powerful Ruger Mini-14 semi-automatic rifle ..”

    Yup, showed their utter ignorance in the first 4 words!
    Is that some kind of record?

    Mini-14, .223?
    1,333 ft/lbs of energy.

    30-06, which is a pretty standard hunting rifle?
    2900 ft/lbs of energy.

  • Fred from BC

    sharonapple88

    Hey, Fred, here’s another “peripherally” associated with the situation. RCMP guns are associated with long guns are associated with criminal elements out in the Prairies. Arguments that long guns shouldn’t be registered because they’re not associated with criminal activity don’t really wash with reality.

    Reality, in this case, being that the RCMP will always support anything that provides more employment for the RCMP. But you destroyed your own argument, once again, by using the words “registered” and “criminal elements” in the same sentence. Criminals don’t register their guns; they also don’t buy or steal them (in any appreciable numbers) from legitimate sources.

    Besides insults, do you have anything to provide to the discussion?

    Lots…but you don’t want to hear it. If you did, you wouldn’t keep reaching into the past, referencing other countries, quoting propaganda straight from gun-control fanatics, etc, etc. When you do that, you insult me. Why act surprised when I show you the same lack of civility?

  • Ben

    “Powerful Ruger mini 14”……???? They got to be kidding!!!!!!!! The last thing I would classify that POS as is “powerful”……..

    Most rifles rate their groups as a couple inches at 100 yards. With the mini 14, you would be lucky to hit a barn door at 100 yards. If someone is shooting a mini 14 at you, you better stand still. If you move, they might accidentally hit you……….. You don’t fire it for groups, you pattern it like a shotgun. Putting a scope on one is an exercise in stupidity.

    The mini 14 is strictly a close range weapon. If you try to shoot at anything farther away than you can throw a rock, then the chances of you hitting it is pure pot luck.

    It is designed for being used on the farm shooting coyotes in the hen house, or putting down a wounded animal.

    It is not even classifiable as an acceptable hunting rifle, let alone a good military or sniper rifle.

  • Fred from BC

    But nevermind, keep building up that straw-man ck, it’s worked so well for you in the past.

    CK’s tiresome tactics are just about as funny as sharonapple 88’s ‘apples and oranges’ approach, whereby she provides information only peripherally related to the original question.

    Seriously, Liberals (you too, CK)? Get over it. Admit you made a mistake and MOVE ON, if you ever want to be taken seriously again…

    (check out Kinsella’s site for a real laugh. That’s two days in a row he’s had his ass kicked (even by his own supporters) for posting erroneous information. He’s not a happy camper..;)

    • sharonapple88

      Hey, Fred, here’s another “peripherally” associated with the situation. RCMP guns are associated with long guns are associated with criminal elements out in the Prairies. Arguments that long guns shouldn’t be registered because they’re not associated with criminal activity don’t really wash with reality.

      Besides insults, do you have anything to provide to the discussion?

      • sharonapple88

        😛 Should have edited the above.

        Anyway, it should read, “The RCMP note that long guns are associated with the criminal element out in the Prairies.”

  • But under Bill C-19, the law would no longer require a licensed gun owner to hold a registration certificate for “non-restricted” weapons.

    Guns make people crazy.

    Note that in Canada, to legally possess a gun, you have to have a Possession Certificate, and if you wish to buy, you have to have an Acquisition Certificate. The process of getting either is quite intrusive, as it should be, because we don’t want crazies with guns.

    But the Registry was flawed from the get-go. Why? Because Canada has been “awash” in guns for over 100 years. So, the Registry is created in a “warm, fuzzy feel-good” effort to assuage the outcry over the Ecole Massacre.

    SO, the Registry law requires that some farmer 200 km north of The Pas, has to drive probably 80 km to the local RCMP detachment to register his grandfather’s WW1 .303, which has been in his family for 90 years with no problems, so you can feel “warm and fuzzy”?

    How many rural owners rushed to do this? Suburban owners?

    So, just how accurate is the Registry? If you’re the police and you’re going to a domestic, do you really trust the Registry, when it proclaims no guns at that address? “Warm and fuzzy”? Or assume that there could be an illegal gun, be it long or short?

    So, why the upset over something that was flawed from the get-go, that is of no help to any careful constable?

    Also, the Mini-14 is not particularly “powerful”, as the .223 cartridge was designed for less than 200 meters. It’s precisely the lack of power, the lack of recoil that makes it so dangerous — if you can shoot. Cartridges like the .308, which reach out 500 meters are mid-range for power. At the top, you get cartridges like the .375 H&H, .338 Lapua, the .416 Jeffries, and of course, John Moses Browning’s .50, some 95 years-old, as a design.

    • sharonapple88

      So, just how accurate is the Registry? If you’re the police and you’re going to a domestic, do you really trust the Registry, when it proclaims no guns at that address? “Warm and fuzzy”? Or assume that there could be an illegal gun, be it long or short?

      Probably safe to assume there’s always a gun on sight.

      One study by John Hopkins University showed that registration and licensing have been shown to be more effective than either licensing or registration in keeping guns from criminals. Why?

      Registering a gun, says Webster, makes it much easier to trace if it is involved in a crime. Licensing means the application process goes through a law enforcement agency, rather than being processed by a gun dealer. Creating that filter has already proven useful, says Webster. “We know from previous research that that there are some seriously shady gun dealers out there,” he says. “In fact, we’ve found one percent of gun dealers sell more than one-half of guns used in crimes.”

      SO, the Registry law requires that some farmer 200 km north of The Pas, has to drive probably 80 km to the local RCMP detachment to register his grandfather’s WW1 .303, which has been in his family for 90 years with no problems, so you can feel “warm and fuzzy”?

      Isn’t this more of a reason to improve registration system than to get rid of it. It’s a pain for people to get the registration stickers for their cars, but it’s not a good reason to get rid of it.

  • ridenrain

    Sounds like more people died driving with Ted Kennedy..
    This is a straw gun for a straw man.
    We already have legal hunting rifles that will do this sort of damage and they are a statistical pimple in crime stats. None of the nightly, drug related violence that the registry was supposed to stop are caused by $5000 sniper rifles, hunting rifles or even stolen long guns. They are almost all caused by illegal handguns that are outside of the registry.
    If someone wants to spend $8k to legally punch holes in paper a couple kilometers away, why should you care? When did the left become the judge of personal freedom?

    • sharonapple88

      If someone wants to spend $8k to legally punch holes in paper a couple kilometers away, why should you care? When did the left become the judge of personal freedom?

      Just as long as they hit their target. There was a case out in Durham where a house was hit with bullets from a shooting range a kilometer away.

      • sharonapple88

        They are almost all caused by illegal handguns that are outside of the registry.

        There are long guns, though, that are associated with gangs. In one seizure they collected “58 illegally owned firearms, including a machine gun and submachine gun, 17 handguns, 35 rifles and four shotguns following a search of a residence in a high crime area of the city.”

        According to the RCMP, long guns are associated with criminal elements out in the Prairies.

  • ridenrain

    Not one murder in Canada or the US has been committed with a .50″ sniper rifle. Drug gangsters in Toronto, Winnipeg or Vancouver already have whatever illegal, unregistered firearms they could want. In fact, the only criminal entry I see is the Obama government giving these guns to Mexican drug cartels through operation “Fast & Furious”.

    • sharonapple88

      Here are some criminal entries with regards to .5 Caliber rifles. Most of them involve seizures of the gun from criminals, but there were a few horrific cases.

      On April 28, 1995, Albert Petrosky walked into an Albertson’s grocery store in suburban Denver, Colorado, and gunned down his estranged wife and the store manager. Armed with an L.A.R. Grizzly 50 caliber sniper rifle, an SKS Chinese semiautomatic assault rifle, a .32 revolver, and a 9mm semiautomatic pistol, Petrosky then walked out into the shopping center parking lot, where he exchanged fire with a federal IRS agent and killed Sgt. Timothy Mossbrucker of the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department. Petrosky, who was known to his friends as “50-cal Al,” fired all four weapons, including the 50 caliber rifle, during his murderous rampage. (“Authorities Investigate Gun Sale: Rifle Used in Albertson’s Slayings Wasn’t Illegal,” Rocky Mountain News, May 1, 1995)

      Branch Davidian cult members at a compound in Waco, Texas, fired 50 caliber sniper rifles at federal ATF agents during their initial gun battle on February 28, 1993. The weapons’ ability to penetrate tactical vehicles prompted the agency to request military armored vehicles to give agents adequate protection from the 50 caliber rifles and other more powerful weapons the Branch Davidians might have had. Four ATF agents were killed. (“Weaponry: .50 Caliber Rifle Crime,” GAO Office of Special Investigations letter, August 4, 1999)

      In March 2008 a police officer in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico was killed with a 50 caliber sniper rifle. The gun’s origin was linked to Phoenix, Arizona according to law enforcement officials. (“Top prosecutors in Ariz., Mexico target smuggling,” Arizona Republic, March 14, 2008).

      • fhg1893

        ridenrain is quite right about the .50 caliber rifle being a “straw-gun.” They cost about $5000.00, not including optics – and they’re useless without good quality optics. They’re big, long, heavy, and very, very loud. The ammunition for them is big, heavy and very expensive, at ~$5.00-$10.00 per round. Certain boxes of 10 rounds of .50 BMG will set you back $100.00 minimum.

        The recoil on a .50 caliber rifle is so punishing that the Canadian Forces snipers who use it are only supposed to fire it a maximum of 5 times per day! They should only ever be fired prone, which means lying down, or from a very securely mounted position.

        Now, if someone was planning on a killing spree, a .50 caliber rifle is probably about the WORST gun to use.

        In reality, people use them for target shooting, and if anyone wants to punish their shoulders and their wallets that much on a regular basis, we’ve got no business telling them they can’t have one.

  • fhg1893

    Registration doesn’t equal confiscation huh? You gun owners really need to get over yourselves huh?

    Oh look at that! I just found some money that I can contribute to the Conservative party, and I can’t think of anything else I’d rather spend it on.

    • ck

      Oh look! fhg1893 shows his true colours in front of mixed company. I always knew you were a sociopathic redneck and now you just proved it.

      For you, it was never about hunting. It was really about having those restricted weapons that are expressly for killing people. How many enemies have you made, FHG? Or do you just use those weapons, to, you know, “keep the little woman in line”? Like so many of you rednecks like to do.

      • fhg1893

        Because all gun owners are criminals, wife-abusers, and murders in waiting, right ck?

        Yes, I have a million billion enemies, and they’re all out to get me. Because of that, what I MUST HAVE, is a SINGLE SHOT, BOLT ACTION, Steyr HS .50 to defend myself, deafen my family shatter all my windows, and pay ~$10,000.00 for because I’m just that insecure. Oh yes, I have no teeth, drink beer out of a can, and don’t believe in libural edumacation.

        Wait a minute… If I’m uneducated as the red-neck comment clearly implies, how did I afford a Steyr HS .50? Oh wait! I’m not uneducated, and perhaps because of that, I don’t have a Steyr HS .50.

        But nevermind, keep building up that straw-man ck, it’s worked so well for you in the past.

      • fhg1893

        Oh, and ck? If you really want to win this one, here’s a hint: SHUT UP. Seriously. Don’t mention firearms anymore!

        Every time you, Scott Tribe, Warren Kinsellea or the Toronto Star mention guns, I, and people like me, give money to the Conservatives, because we want to stay out of jail AND keep our guns.

        But given our history, I don’t expect you can handle sensible advice.

        • fhg1893

          Hey ck? What’s that? Sounds to me like the clinking of coins into Conservative coffers. Keep up the good work! 🙂

          http://sistersagesmusings.ca/2011/11/01/i-knew-the-scrapping-of-the-long-gun-registry-was-never-about-farmers-and-hunters/

        • sharonapple88

          Every time you, Scott Tribe, Warren Kinsellea or the Toronto Star mention guns, I, and people like me, give money to the Conservatives, because we want to stay out of jail AND keep our guns.

          Hey, freedom of speech. They should be allowed to say whatever they like just as you’re free to donate to whatever party you choose.

          As for staying out of jail and keeping a gun, as far as I know, the majority of gun owners aren’t in jail right now with the current laws.

          • fhg1893

            It was meant as advice, I didn’t expect it to be followed, and it wasn’t.

            The point I’ve been trying to make is that these kinds of overly-emotional, factually lacking arguments do a really good job of galvanizing Canadian firearms owners. And we donate to the Conservatives. We donate to them a lot. We’ve notched at least one Liberal Public Safety critic. 🙂

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