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Robo-con thoughts.

That’s what we’re naming this alleged electoral fraud scheme – at least on Twitter, apparently. My thoughts on this are as follows:

– Is Harper or high ranking members of the PMO involved? I don’t know, but the fact this is the party who has done never-before seen attack-ads in between elections, smearing opposition leaders, not to mention admitted robo-calls to Irwin Cotler’s riding, plus a plea bargain with the in-and-out issue, doesnt exactly give them a lot of credibility when they deny stuff. The Elections Canada and RCMP investigations will have to bear that out.

– Those aforementioned tactics would also be certain to make some of his more rabid supporters decide a win at all costs approach would be deemed acceptable, even if the PMO didnt officially sanction it, so Harper still has to take responsibility for it, rather then try to throw another low level staffer under the bus.

Bob Rae took responsibility for a lone wolf Liberal staffer who was doing Vikileaks, even though Rae knew nothing about it; it’s time Harper showed the same leadership, and took the same responsibility, even if he knew nothing about it. I’m not sure his partisan nature or pride will allow him, however.

8 comments to Robo-con thoughts.

  • stan

    This story is over now that the liberals have been caught making illegal calls in Guelph.
    The media will drop it like a hot potato.

  • DG

    Full judicial inquiry. What is Harper worried about?

    I don’t really like Harper himself but I am a conservative (small c) and I voted for them in this last election, but this and other things they have been doing is completely intolerable. The way they are treating veterans is especially reprehensible – we are (were!) their biggest supporters and they spit in our face this past week.

    I keep trying my level best to give them the benefit of the doubt, and I wish they had just called a judicial inquiry right away, but instead, I get Dean del Mastro (or whatever the hell he’s called) going on TV and looking every bet the guilty party with his attempts to sweep everything under the rug and telling us not to be concerned. Worse, is the media that keeps telling us we’re apathetic, and you Liberal fools keep buying it. Apathetic? They wish. We DESTROYED two federal parties so far – you should know this, yours was one of them! We will gladly make it a trifecta. We’ve had it, we of the “Tim Horton’s” base that Harper counts on, we’ve had it with all of them (the Liberals are not any better, trying to mint political coin out of an attack on democracy and exploit it for profit – not gonna happen!) Harper forgets why we elected him, and he forgets, we can destroy him just as easily as we put him there.

    You won’t see or hear from people like me often. We don’t troll political sites, we don’t talk in the media. We’re not right wing fanatics like some of these people are. We’re the swing vote – average, normal Canadians. We DO care about corruption in the government, and it seems like the pundits and politicans apparently haven’t got the message yet. Time to send it again.

    Some other conservative party will form in the vacuum – Harper is disposable. He better appreciate that, and fast.

    • Beerbob

      It might be a cultural problem. The difference between the Progressive Conservatives and the new CPC. I think it’s the Reform or Western influence. It’s more of an U.S. type of conservatism, with a stronger mix of religion, particularly evangelical Christianity. More authoritarian, as is made clear by a tendency for various ministers to make assertions that we’re just supposed to accept because… they’re ministers, I guess.

      That’s a bit worrying, but the real downside is that, probably due to associations that some of the MPs and, more importantly I think, many of the Conservative Party insiders and apparatchiks have with various U.S. right wing associations and individuals, there is this “the other parties are the enemy/are evil” attitude and consequently, anything goes.

      Then there’s the policies they’re pushing. Judicial reform and prison reform that were tried in the U.S. starting thirty or forty years ago that have failed dismally, and go directly against pretty much all of the generaly accepted sociology/penology on the subject, and warrantless surveillance, and a bunch of other crap that comes straight out of big U.S. corporations lobbying wish lists.

      They’re not our daddy’s Conservatives. They’re trying to make this country into something that it isn’t.

  • Beerbob

    Isn’t in the purest interest of the government to get right to the bottom of this? It’s like Caesar’s wife. She must not only be faithful, she must be seen to be faithful.

    Have a public inquiry. Since Harper and various others are absolutely certain that there were no shenanigans involving the Conservative Party – in fact it was the Liberals or NDP who did this, as they claim, let’s shine light on it. Get right to the bottom of who paid for what, and the transcripts or tapes from the various robocalling businesses.

  • al

    Misleading Robocalls were deliberate and immoral.The perpetrators need to be punished. Period.

    • stan

      Yup.
      Liberals included, who are shown to have made illegal calls, and to have handed out election material at the voting stations in Guelph.
      Odd how the CBC never mentioned that, isn’t it?

  • Stan

    “There was no conduct reported that would bring into question the integrity of the election result overall or the result in a particular riding. Although misconduct was reported in several ridings, there is no complaint that it affected the final result. There is some speculation in the media that the dirty tricks may have affected the result in some close contests.”

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/83175057/E…sponse-Records

    ———

    Poor little Scott, still believing all the lies the liberal media feed him.

    That link takes you to the actual Elections Canada Freedom Of Information request….

    BTW, is this the same election that the CBC ilegally reported the results before the polls closed?
    Did that sway the election?

    Bwahahahahhahahahahaha!

  • Fred from BC

    – Is Harper or high ranking members of the PMO involved?

    Not even remotely, no.

    I don’t know, but the fact this is the party who has done never-before seen attack-ads in between elections, smearing opposition leaders, not to mention admitted robo-calls to Irwin Cotler’s riding

    That was NOT the Conservative Party, Scott. Get that part straight, okay?

    , plus a plea bargain with the in-and-out issue

    You know full well when the authorities plea-bargain: ONLY when they have a weak case, and they know it (they had already lost one appeal, remember?).

    , doesnt exactly give them a lot of credibility when they deny stuff. The Elections Canada and RCMP investigations will have to bear that out.

    Or not. I sure wish people would wait for the outcome before they start shrieking about “the worst election fraud in Canadian history!”, but that’s not likely to happen, is it?

    – Those aforementioned tactics would also be certain to make some of his more rabid supporters decide a win at all costs approach would be deemed acceptable

    Except that you simply can’t win that way. Only an idiot would think otherwise.

    even if the PMO didnt officially sanction it, so Harper still has to take responsibility for it

    How’s that, now? How does he take responsibility for each one of the literally HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of phone calls being made right before the election?

    rather then try to throw another low level staffer under the bus.

    Like Bob Rae did? Nothing new there…

    (besides, *our* staffer resigned of his own volition, and denies having anything to do with any misleading phone calls)

    Bob Rae took responsibility for a lone wolf Liberal staffer who was doing Vikileaks, even though Rae knew nothing about it; it’s time Harper showed the same leadership, and took the same responsibility, even if he knew nothing about it. I’m not sure his partisan nature or pride will allow him, however.

    If he could actually prove that our guy did anything wrong, I’m sure he would.

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