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  1. John Klein
    11/29/2012

    http://saskboy.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/by-election-monday-plan-to-fix-democracy

    Scott, I’m not sure I totally agree, but I see what you’re saying. Chris Turner makes a similar point in the Globe and Mail, noting that his support may have come from NDP, but also inactive citizens who wouldn’t have voted for anyone else as well as the ~10% who vote Green typically in that riding.

    Regardless of the level of support for a single progressive, non-Con candidate in some ridings, it’s undeniable that if low-information voters are presented with two options instead of 4, they are statistically more likely to elect the non-Con in enough ridings Canada wide to change who our Prime Minister is. That will make a big difference on who sits in the Senate, our courts, and orders the RCMP around from the PMO. If Liberals, Greens and NDP don’t co-operate as we did for a short time in 2008, prior to 2014, it will be maddening to watch Harper’s popularity crater, but us lose another election (not that the last was a clean loss, but even a stolen election is still a loss).

  2. Stephen Downes
    11/28/2012

    To recollect that old comment, the Liberals campaign from the left and govern from the right. That (I guess) makes them centrist? Not left. But not as far right as the Tories.

    I don’t see good evidence that the NDP is, as you say, corporatist. It is easily to the left of the other parties (including the BQ, which has been drifting right recently). You may prefer some party further left, but I don’t see a viable option there.

  3. MoS
    11/28/2012

    @ Stephen – and do you see the LPC as representing the ‘left’? Both the Libs and the New Democrats are now corporatist, the Libs staunchly so. Both are avowed supporters of the Tar Sands even as they pay lip service to opposing the Northern Gateway. Canada has become a classic petro-state and we have oodles of petro-pols on both sides of the floor of the House of Commons. There is nothing remotely progressive in that. And when did you last hear a Liberal vow to reverse the growing inequality problem in Canada? You don’t get to call yourself ‘progressive’ because you’re not a Harper Conservative. That dark farce is wearing much too thin.

  4. CuJoYYC
    11/27/2012

    Two words: Preferential Ballot

    • John Klein
      11/29/2012

      Yes, please.

  5. Stephen Downes
    11/27/2012

    I don’t know why people persist in representing the Green party as ‘left’. There’s no particular evidence to justify such a characterization, and m uch Green policy seems (to me at least) as intent on coddling industry as it does on (the far more important) environmental concerns that led to the formation of the party.

    • John Klein
      11/29/2012

      Because it’s a common idea that environmental issues are a partisan “left” issue, instead of a human issue vital to all humans (who tend to make up political parties of all sorts). Also, there’s the whole notion of ensuring everyone has an equal right to life, etc. so there really is global evidence that Greens hold a lot of left wing values.

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