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Ontario Debate Aftermath #voteon

My initial (biased) impressions of the debate are:

– As someone who is supporting the OLP, I’d have much preferred if Wynne had started stronger, but the first two topics were always going to be the tough ones, and I’m not sure whether I’d have done much better. I did think she recovered after that and “held the line” as it were. I don’t think she was struck with any fatal blow per se. I know on social media some people were commenting on Premier Wynne’s hand movements, but I’ve always found Ms. Wynne to be a demonstrative person; she was like that at the OLP leadership convention as well. If you’re not going to vote for her based on hand movements, you probably weren’t going to vote for her anyhow.

– Hudak came out on top, but he still came out looking swarmy and still not very likeable. I also think the statement that “he knew in his heart” his million jobs plan would work -when it’s been almost universally panned by economists and pundits alike – and then the offer to resign if it didn’t (after 8 years) may have blunted a more solid victory for him.

– Horwath had some zingers, but still didn’t seem to offer much in platform or specifics. I think she could have done a lot better.

Will this move polls? It will depend if anyone watched this debate, and when they tuned in (or tuned out), but we shall see. (Initial polling would suggest it didn’t hurt the Liberals at all; but again only one poll from a pollster I’ve had doubts about in the past)

By the way, I disliked this format – both style and length- immensely. It also managed to avoid the education topic (they took Q’s from viewers), which I would think should be a fairly prominent issue. So, I don’t know what other format I’d prefer, but definitely not this one. (There also should be more debates then then, but that’s another topic)

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4 comments to Ontario Debate Aftermath #voteon

  • Kathleen Wynne really said it, according to Adam Radwanski in the Globe: “In Vaughan this morning, Kathleen Wynne said that if Tim Hudak’s Progressive Conservatives win a plurality of seats in a minority legislature, she’ll let them govern rather than try to team up with Andrea Horwath’s New Democrats to hold on to government.” He adds “Unless Ms. Wynne adds a qualifier at some point, or is simply saying whatever she thinks she needs to say on the campaign trail without meaning it, those voices within her party appear to have lost out before the debate over what to do in such a situation ever really started.” Hard to believe.

  • Thoughtful comments, Scott. I’ll withhold partisan comments.

    My top take-away is that no poll shows any of the three winning a majority, so I was looking for clues on what may happen the morning after the election (and even election night). Andrea Horwath gets a small gold star for saying “People know I tried to get results from the last legislature” and defending against Hudak saying she had voted with the Liberals 97% of the time; she quickly fired back: “I don’t see a single thing you’ve been able to accomplish in minority government.”

    But the real surprise was Wynne, afterwards (if Robert Benzie quoted her correctly) saying “Whoever wins the most seats in this election has the right to form government.” She surely knows better. What is she playing at? Will she make the mistake of resigning as leader and premier on election night if Hudak gets a few more seats than her???

  • I would have preferred the Premier come out more strongly against Hudak’s previous foibles (such as Ontario being a right-to-work province), and against Horwath’s opportunism. As a Liberal supporter I was kind of disappointed with the debate.

  • Ryan Spinney

    The only parts that matter in a debate are the stuff that will continue to resenate after all else is forgotten in a only days.

    This means stuff like zingers/sound bites emotional impressions, and few solid campaign planks that resenate for people, such as Horwath’s cutting the GST on home heatingand hydro.

    Wynne lost on the sound bite front, all that she said that is memorible is her apologizes (a Paul Martin like blunder).

    Hudak had a few good zingers, but people still think he’s a putz and I don’t think he convinced anyone about his million jobless plan.

    Horwath won where it matters, in sound bites, in emotional impressions, and in a couple memorable populist planks.

    “You don’t have to choose between bad ethics and bad math” Andrea Horwath. Stuff like that gets remembered and retained days, weeks, and some times later.

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