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		<title>Comment on &#8216;So be it&#8217; by dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jordan - &quot;After another Harper victory, the other parties might come to their senses and cooperate more. There might be more demonstrating in the streets, but we would still be able to look ourselves in the mirror, even if we had to agree that we are surrounded by morons.&quot;

I wish I could be convinced, Jordan. I really do. I hate to say it but it was not the CPC that broke my spirit during the 08 Democratic Crisis but my fellow Canadians. However, the NO Prorogation Rallies were a success and they really rejuvenated my faith in grassroots democracy. I&#039;ve said all along that the Liberals won&#039;t get any better polling numbers than a statistical tie going into any election, and that&#039;s what we have now. I&#039;m not worried about polling, I&#039;m worried about the framing of an election. The Libs could be at 40% and an election fought over constitutional conventions and parliamentary institutions wouldn&#039;t be in their best interest - at least not from where I&#039;m sitting. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong Jordan, I want to be proved wrong in the worst way. I usually ate the taste of crow, but in this case I&#039;d be willing to eat the whole bird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jordan &#8211; &#8220;After another Harper victory, the other parties might come to their senses and cooperate more. There might be more demonstrating in the streets, but we would still be able to look ourselves in the mirror, even if we had to agree that we are surrounded by morons.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wish I could be convinced, Jordan. I really do. I hate to say it but it was not the CPC that broke my spirit during the 08 Democratic Crisis but my fellow Canadians. However, the NO Prorogation Rallies were a success and they really rejuvenated my faith in grassroots democracy. I&#8217;ve said all along that the Liberals won&#8217;t get any better polling numbers than a statistical tie going into any election, and that&#8217;s what we have now. I&#8217;m not worried about polling, I&#8217;m worried about the framing of an election. The Libs could be at 40% and an election fought over constitutional conventions and parliamentary institutions wouldn&#8217;t be in their best interest &#8211; at least not from where I&#8217;m sitting. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong Jordan, I want to be proved wrong in the worst way. I usually ate the taste of crow, but in this case I&#8217;d be willing to eat the whole bird.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;So be it&#8217; by Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dylan - will the situation envisaged by you EVER be better and more in the Liberals&#039; favour? Better to go down fighting and with one&#039;s self-respect intact than grovelling in front of bullies. After another Harper victory, the other parties might come to their senses and cooperate more. There might be more demonstrating in the streets, but we would still be able to look ourselves in the mirror, even if we had to agree that we are surrounded by morons. Canadians would be radicalized, but our meek and mild boyscout image has been largely a myth anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dylan &#8211; will the situation envisaged by you EVER be better and more in the Liberals&#8217; favour? Better to go down fighting and with one&#8217;s self-respect intact than grovelling in front of bullies. After another Harper victory, the other parties might come to their senses and cooperate more. There might be more demonstrating in the streets, but we would still be able to look ourselves in the mirror, even if we had to agree that we are surrounded by morons. Canadians would be radicalized, but our meek and mild boyscout image has been largely a myth anyway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;So be it&#8217; by dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just might be the only blogger on Pro Blogs to see the consequences of pushing this issue to an election: the Liberals won&#039;t win. Harper may see a reduced minority, but a minority nonetheless. 

Of course this is an issue that OUGHT to be fought over an election, but we&#039;re overestimating the concern of ordinary Canadians for our parliamentary tradition and institutions. We&#039;d be hedging our bets that the simple &quot;democracy card&quot; would work - even though it is clear that everyday-Canadians know very little on the subject nor do they care to learn about it. They&#039;ll question the legitimacy of the motion and this is the angle the Cons will play. The Harper government will lie, cheat, manipulate and flat-out deceive uncommitted voters in order to frame the discussion around national security, the integrity of our troops and other &quot;untouchable&quot; topics and persons.  

The Liberals will bring forth constitutional experts and legal scholars to defend their position. They&#039;ll rely on sound reasoning and democratic principles. Harper and his army of Flying Monkey&#039;s will call these people &quot;elitists&quot; and rally those who do not have a university education - and a few that do - to vote against this liberal &quot;intelligentsia&quot; threatening to hijack the country away from REAL Canadians - hockey loving, double-double gulping Joes like Flaherty and Baird. 

Some will speak up, many will tune out and we&#039;ll be in no better position than we are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just might be the only blogger on Pro Blogs to see the consequences of pushing this issue to an election: the Liberals won&#8217;t win. Harper may see a reduced minority, but a minority nonetheless. </p>
<p>Of course this is an issue that OUGHT to be fought over an election, but we&#8217;re overestimating the concern of ordinary Canadians for our parliamentary tradition and institutions. We&#8217;d be hedging our bets that the simple &#8220;democracy card&#8221; would work &#8211; even though it is clear that everyday-Canadians know very little on the subject nor do they care to learn about it. They&#8217;ll question the legitimacy of the motion and this is the angle the Cons will play. The Harper government will lie, cheat, manipulate and flat-out deceive uncommitted voters in order to frame the discussion around national security, the integrity of our troops and other &#8220;untouchable&#8221; topics and persons.  </p>
<p>The Liberals will bring forth constitutional experts and legal scholars to defend their position. They&#8217;ll rely on sound reasoning and democratic principles. Harper and his army of Flying Monkey&#8217;s will call these people &#8220;elitists&#8221; and rally those who do not have a university education &#8211; and a few that do &#8211; to vote against this liberal &#8220;intelligentsia&#8221; threatening to hijack the country away from REAL Canadians &#8211; hockey loving, double-double gulping Joes like Flaherty and Baird. </p>
<p>Some will speak up, many will tune out and we&#8217;ll be in no better position than we are now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;So be it&#8217; by TofKW</title>
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		<dc:creator>TofKW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred - my comment earlier and from Far &amp; Wide, please tell me your thoughts. When exactly did conservatives become the anti-democracy and anti-openness party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred &#8211; my comment earlier and from Far &amp; Wide, please tell me your thoughts. When exactly did conservatives become the anti-democracy and anti-openness party?</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;So be it&#8217; by Red Forever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Forever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred from BC

Be careful what you wish for.

You just might get it.

Personally I think Steve will look good on the opposition benches.

I don&#039;t think he will find many friends there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred from BC</p>
<p>Be careful what you wish for.</p>
<p>You just might get it.</p>
<p>Personally I think Steve will look good on the opposition benches.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he will find many friends there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;So be it&#8217; by Fred from BC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred from BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Winnie says :


Friday, March 19th, 2010


I say call the CONs bluff, see where it goes and if an election is called &quot;so be it&quot;.

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  Absolutely. Don&#039;t be afraid, Liberals...go for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Winnie says :</p>
<p>Friday, March 19th, 2010</p>
<p>I say call the CONs bluff, see where it goes and if an election is called &#8220;so be it&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>  Absolutely. Don&#8217;t be afraid, Liberals&#8230;go for it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;So be it&#8217; by TofKW</title>
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		<dc:creator>TofKW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I left a detailed reply to the CPofC supporters about the importance of parliamentary supremacy over on F&amp;W. Basically for them to look at the bigger picture here and see that if the opposition backs down and gives Harper what he wants, there is a dangerous precedent set here for future governments. 

At some point the Liberals or (horror of horrors for the ultrarightwingnuts) a Lib-NDP coalition will be elected, and it’s most likely in our modern fractured, sectarian political scene to be a minority government (since majorities are very hard to win now). And even when they hold government without even 40% of the population voting for them; when so elected, they can begin to pass legislation that is opposed by the majority in the house, stonewall investigations, withhold information to committees citing ‘national security’, and pretty much thumb their noses at parliament – because that’s the precedent Harper has set for us.

Or they can see the light and support the 400+ years of established limits of power as set within the Westminster-style parliamentary system, and that is the supremacy of parliament. If there is anything left of conservatism in this country, the conservation of our legal and political bodies should be paramount to their beliefs.

Now I ask, are you really conservatives …or are you just a bunch of reckless, firebrand western populists who don’t give one shit about upholding the laws or traditions of our Westminster parliamentary system, so long as those pesky lefties are kept out of governing. If it is all about the later, then you are all materialistic, despicable, traitors of even worse depths than the Bloc Quebecois. Because at least the Bloc members are, when it comes down to it, responsible democrats; and I can not say the same of your lot.

Indeed the supremacy of parliament is an election issue worth fighting for. And if Harper wants to run from a contempt charge, and into the home of the Governor General to dissolve parliament, and campaign AGAINST the supremacy of parliament …so be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left a detailed reply to the CPofC supporters about the importance of parliamentary supremacy over on F&amp;W. Basically for them to look at the bigger picture here and see that if the opposition backs down and gives Harper what he wants, there is a dangerous precedent set here for future governments. </p>
<p>At some point the Liberals or (horror of horrors for the ultrarightwingnuts) a Lib-NDP coalition will be elected, and it’s most likely in our modern fractured, sectarian political scene to be a minority government (since majorities are very hard to win now). And even when they hold government without even 40% of the population voting for them; when so elected, they can begin to pass legislation that is opposed by the majority in the house, stonewall investigations, withhold information to committees citing ‘national security’, and pretty much thumb their noses at parliament – because that’s the precedent Harper has set for us.</p>
<p>Or they can see the light and support the 400+ years of established limits of power as set within the Westminster-style parliamentary system, and that is the supremacy of parliament. If there is anything left of conservatism in this country, the conservation of our legal and political bodies should be paramount to their beliefs.</p>
<p>Now I ask, are you really conservatives …or are you just a bunch of reckless, firebrand western populists who don’t give one s**t about upholding the laws or traditions of our Westminster parliamentary system, so long as those pesky lefties are kept out of governing. If it is all about the later, then you are all materialistic, despicable, traitors of even worse depths than the Bloc Quebecois. Because at least the Bloc members are, when it comes down to it, responsible democrats; and I can not say the same of your lot.</p>
<p>Indeed the supremacy of parliament is an election issue worth fighting for. And if Harper wants to run from a contempt charge, and into the home of the Governor General to dissolve parliament, and campaign AGAINST the supremacy of parliament …so be it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;So be it&#8217; by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This confrontation has been a long time coming. Mr. Harper does not seem to understand that government serves the people and that the people are represented by MPs in Parliament. Neither, it seems, does he understand that a Prime Minister is NOT a President; that a PM is &quot;first among equals&quot; nor that he serves at the pleasure of the House. He has wrought destruction upon our Democracy and must be held to account. Let&#039;s get to the election and make 2010 the year Canadians stood up for their freedoms!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This confrontation has been a long time coming. Mr. Harper does not seem to understand that government serves the people and that the people are represented by MPs in Parliament. Neither, it seems, does he understand that a Prime Minister is NOT a President; that a PM is &#8220;first among equals&#8221; nor that he serves at the pleasure of the House. He has wrought destruction upon our Democracy and must be held to account. Let&#8217;s get to the election and make 2010 the year Canadians stood up for their freedoms!</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;So be it&#8217; by bull caller</title>
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		<dc:creator>bull caller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wholeheartedly agree. If an election call came in today it would be due to Harper&#039;s own mishandlings, and nothing to do with anyone else. Having said this, the other parties have to be capable of stepping up to ensure the voters who won&#039;t vote for Harper (the majority of Canadians), actually vote. Engage them and carry the narrative. We know what  Harper&#039;s election style is - hide, run, ignore, and under no circumstances have an unscripted moment. Ever. 

The only way to win with this guy is to keep the pressure on and knock off his toupee which I think is his source of strength.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wholeheartedly agree. If an election call came in today it would be due to Harper&#8217;s own mishandlings, and nothing to do with anyone else. Having said this, the other parties have to be capable of stepping up to ensure the voters who won&#8217;t vote for Harper (the majority of Canadians), actually vote. Engage them and carry the narrative. We know what  Harper&#8217;s election style is &#8211; hide, run, ignore, and under no circumstances have an unscripted moment. Ever. </p>
<p>The only way to win with this guy is to keep the pressure on and knock off his toupee which I think is his source of strength.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;So be it&#8217; by Big Winnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Winnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say call the CONs bluff, see where it goes and if an election is called &quot;&lt;b&gt;so be it&lt;/b&gt;&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say call the CONs bluff, see where it goes and if an election is called &#8220;<b>so be it</b>&#8220;.</p>
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